Is Islamophobia any more justified than anti-Semitism?

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Is Islamophobia any more justified than Antisemitism ?
--If you answered yes to this poll question, then you think Islamophobia is justified and that Antisemitism is justified. Thats 9 of you so far.

Why do you think Islamophobia and Antisemitism is justified?

But before you answer, lets define the terms:

Islamophobia describes prejudice against, hatred or irrational fear of Islam or Muslims. The term dates back to the late 1980s or early 1990s, but came into common usage after the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States.

Antisemitism is suspicion of, hatred toward, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage.

Do you disagree with this definition of Islamophobia and Antisemitism?
--If yes, please provide your definition.
--If no, lets reword the question above to the following:

Why do you think it is justified to be prejudiced against groups of people?

Last edited by rombomb2 on 15 Dec 2011, 12:22 pm, edited 2 times in total.

not true, are you saying that when God told Joshua that Jericho was theirs by birth and to destroy everything that breathed including humans, plants, and animals that he wasn't telling them to destroy in his name? the New Testament clearly talks about a global jihad in Revelations Jesus comes from the sky with a sword coming out of his mouth to destroy all the nonbelievers, i saw a poll on the news last year that said 44% of Americans believe Jesus will return in their lifetime and with so many people preparing for the "Second Coming" im surprised things aren't escalating out of control

Actually, it's the fundies and holy rollers who buy into that violent notion of the end times. Not so with us Mainline Christians.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

many would argue its the same with islam,

What I mean is that one criticizes a Christian, he is "oppressing an oppressor", but when he/she criticizes a Jew, Muslim, etc., he/she is being a bigot.

Exactly. And this is where wearing masks will always come into conflict not only in Britain but all over the Western world because it is an aggressive snub of our values. It means that We are not You and We don't want to be like You but We want to live in Your country. It also puts the wearer at a big advantage in communication as other (unveiled) people cannot work out very important clues that the veiled person can easily see. We find balaclavas threatening for the same reason in that it hides the person's identity and makes them faceless. That's very frightening.

Just because we're not allowed to publicly rubbish and ridicule these horrible masks and their often aggressive and beligerent wearers doesn't mean that people across Europe don't hate them with a passion.

I don't think wearing the niqab should be totally illegal but I think that every post office, airport, hospital and all government buildings should be able to ban these garments outright on their premises with shops and banks being encouraged to follow their lead if they so wish. If we do that it would mean that Muslims would get the message that veiling is not at all welcome here but by the same token it would cover the specialist cases where other segments of the population wear masks (Halloween and during protests and so on). Actually, wearing a niqab would be perfect for Halloween!

Keep up the good work, mate.

Absolutely.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, I condemn Islam because Islam condemns me. Regardless of whether any individual Muslims condemn me or not, the faith itself has me damned.

I'm consistent enough to have the same attitude to Christianity and Judaism. There's no hell in Judaism, but it still condemns me as unclean. I'm not a fan of the Abrahamic God and the religions he's responsible for.

I just have more of a problem with Islam in practice than I do with the other two, sorry. This is mainly because it's such a fast-growing religion and I live and work in a place that's saturated in the culture of Islam. Christianity is on the decline and Judaism minds its own business outside of the Middle East.

no violence has ever been done in the name of Pastafarianism, we are one of the most peaceful religions, as our Gospel states "At least when pastafariansim is shoved down your throat, unlike Christianity, it's delicious."

R'Amen

nevertheless the Bible does have a section that mirrors a Global Jihad and it's in the New Testament, not Old

Please give me exact examples. I ask, because a lot of what evangelicals say is in the Bible, in particular Revelations, really isn't there.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It's worse when a priest is shoving it down your throat.

Nothing akin to jihad appears in Testaments Old or New, and especially not New. The only reason I know this is because I had to live in Saudi Arabia after my dad's office building was blown up and he got injured (OPM-SANG building in Riyadh) when I was in 8th grade.


Anyway, on the more violent end, there's the Jewish texts concerning, let's say, oh let's say the pre-Temple foundation Israel, or, rather, Jews as they were before asking God for their own land. If you recall, it took God a long time to warm up to the idea of nationalism, even longer for nationalism for Israel, and even then God demmanded that if it be formed every man, woman, and child of the Cannanites (where they'd be living) be slaughtered. Interestingly, that's the same Canaanites that are absolutely who arabs are. So yeah, that was violent.

IN the middle, there's Islam. I put in the middle because there are absolute immutable laws concerning the conduct of war and the treatment of those that aren't of the faith, but considering that jihad is BLATANTLY, EXPLICITLY, REDUNDANTLY rendered null the exact second an innocent is harmed directly or indirectly in any form or fashion. Also, that any non-Muslim can practice their own faith without fear from harm, provided they pay their taxes for the right.


Finally, there's Christianity, which according to its purported founder, requires absolute, total nonviolence but has since its initial adoption by the Romans done exactly the opposite of that.


I think all three would agree that, being that Arabic is a semitic language and Christianity is a Jewish denomination, if you actually follow the tennents of the religion, you probably aren't anti-Semitic. By the same token and by the same mindset, you would be rabidly anti-Zionist.

Upon the first trumpet sound, hail and fire, mixed with blood, is thrown to the Earth burning up a third of the trees on the planet, and all green grass. (Revelation 8:7)
By the second trumpet sounding, it queues something like a great burning mountain that plunges into the sea and wipes out a third of all sea life and ships. A third of the oceans will become blood. (Revelation 8:8-9)
By the sound of the third trumpet, a great star called Wormwood falls to the Earth poisoning a third of the planet's freshwater sources, such as rivers and springs. Men have died from drinking its bitter taste. (Revelation 8:10-11)
Following the sounding of the fourth trumpet, a third of the light that shines from the Sun, moon and stars became dark from these celestial bodies being "struck". This catastrophe caused completedarkness for a third of a day, during the day, even through night hours.(Revelation 8:12)
The fifth trumpetprompts a personified star to fall from heaven. The star is given the key to the bottomless pit. After opening it, the smoke that rises out, darkens the air and blocks the sunlight. Then from out of the smoke, the Locustswere unleashed. They were scorpion tailed warhorses, having a man's face with lion's teeth. Their hair was long like that of a womans' and flew with locust-like wings. They were crowned with golden crowns and protected with iron-like breastplates. They were commanded by their king, Abaddon, to torment any man who does not have the seal of God on their forehead, by using their scorpion-like tails. It was also made clear to them that they must not kill anyone during their five month mission of torment. (Revelation 9:1-12)
Five months after the fifth trumpet blast, the sixth one sounds.[7]This is the "Second woe", where four angels are released from their binds to the "great river Euphrates". They command a brute force of 200 million mounted troops whose horses dissipate plague from out of their mouths, most notably: fire, smoke, and brimstone. The mounted horsemen wore breastplates with the color of fire, hyacinth, and brimstone. The horses had a lion's head and their tails were like a serpent, even with a snake head. They are responsible for the deaths of a third of mankind who are striken by the plague that emanated from these armies. (Revelation 9:13-21)
The sound of the seventh trumpetsignals the "Third woe". This is the final trumpet sound and the final woe. Loud voices in heaven proclaim Christ as ruler forever and ever under the "Kingdom of our Lord". Thanks is given to God, the Almightyand praise for the wrath that came, the dead who were judged, and the bond-servants rewarded. The temple of God in heaven then opened and the Ark of the covenant appeared in His temple. Then lightning and peals of thunder occurred followed by an earthquake and a great hailstorm. (Revelation 11:15-19)

these are just the 7 trumpet bearing angels, then there are still the four horsemen of the apocalypse, the whore of babylon, the beast of the sea, the beast of the earth, and the dragon

and the bowls
Seven angels are given a golden bowl, from the Four Living Creatures, that contains the wrath of God. (15:6-8) Seven bowls are poured onto Earth: First Bowl: A "foul and loathsome sore" afflicts the followers of the beast. (16:1-2) Second Bowl: The sea turns to blood and everything within it dies. (16:3) Third Bowl: All fresh water turns to blood. (16:4-7) Fourth Bowl: The sun scorches the Earth with intense heat. (16:8-9) Fifth Bowl: There is total darkness and great pain in the Beast's kingdom. (16:10-11) Sixth Bowl: Preparations are made for the final battle between the forces of good and evil. (16:12-16) Seventh Bowl: A great earthquake: "every island fled away and the mountains were not found." (16:17-21)

and all this was planned and facilitated by God, this is allegedly the worst global genocide that will ever happen

all this death and destruction is to destroy everyone who is not Christian, hell afterwards everyone who doesn't believe is thrown into a lake of fire

the evidence for my claims comes from the Holy Book you parade about, can you say the same?

all of these are found in Revelations i got them from the internet but crossed referenced them with my personal King James bible

I'm not going by what people are telling me about the Qur'an. I've been reading the Qur'an and I have yet to see a "context" of verses encouraging violence for the sake of being violent and not out of just vengeance or self-defense.



I can read and understand Arabic. Give me a relevant ayeh in Arabic and let's examine it within "context".

The verses TheKing posted reminds me of the Qur'an.

If interpreted as condoning terrorism, it can be very dangerous.