Feminist preoccupation with power

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Eeeyeahhh. Growing up, my dad never handled money except for doing the taxes and fixing the car. Not that he couldn't do so - just that it wasn't part of how my parents divided their chores. From what I hear, that was a pretty common division of roles for my parents' generation.

Growing up my mom did everything because she was a single parnet with two sons she had to raise all on her own.

TM, that information about how much money women spend is not really accurate because those women are not buying most of the things for themselves. they are buying things for the household. for example, if the woman decides what car they are buying for the whole household and signs the cheque, that doesn't mean that she is off spending someone else's money on herself.

for those things that women DO buy specifically for themselves, it actually costs more to be a woman in our society. we are charged more for products that are intended for us (like drycleaning an identical top, but called a "blouse" instead of a "shirt").

http://www.marieclaire.com/world-report ... n-pay-more

also, the gender pay gap still does exist. when men and women are working in identical jobs with identical experience, overall on average they will tend to earn less. some economists have come up with explanations for the pay gap, but the explanations don't eliminate the gap. it is still there.

I read the article and blouse & strange taxes aside, most of the things mentioned are the fault of women.

Having tits doesn't prevent you from investing a bit of time to figure out what is a fair price for a car or a car repair. Just because a razor or bottle of shampoo says 'for men' on it, doesn't mean that it is illegal for women to buy them for personal use.

If you are willing to pay double for a razor just because it is made of pink plastic, it's your own fault. businesses are supposed to maximise profit and if lots of women are willing to pay way over the over odds because they are vain and the packet says 'for women' all you have to do is stop buying it and buy the ugly man version instead.

Tired of spending £50 a month for a haircut? Cut your own for free. What, too vain?

I will give you the monthly sanitary needs as a cost that men don't incur but given that a pad costs anywhere from 1.4p to 15p (value or luxury name brand) it is hardly an expense that is going to break the bank.

You and the article forget to mention that women pay half the amount for car insurance, I will swap you £20 a year value panty liners for £500 difference in car insurance anytime you fancy.

^ the higher cost that men pay for car insurance is due entirely to men being statistically involved in more serious car accidents that cause injury or death. If women are 'at fault' for paying more for auto repair, how much fault should men assume for paying more on insurance when a little common sense while driving would entirely solve the problem?

Agree to an extent, but women are institutionally discriminated against just the same as non-whites, it is a pervasive, subtle, influence that the more intelligent people are going to pick up on, while the less intelligent people are going to be like what the f**k is wrong with you.

People don't know what people don't know.

I'm assuming the people OP has talked to are my age.

A few things about feminism:
It's about women being equal, not greater or less. IE, statistically, on paper, earning the same pay for the same jobs, same coverage by health insurance [except perhaps in gender-specific diseases]. If some men still want to say stupid things, they can still say stupid things. If they want to or don't want to hold open doors or initiate relationships, fine. As long as they're not paying us less or telling us our child does not have X horrible birth defect that will either kill or cripple the baby and or mother for life, it's not a big deal. Equal on paper is good enough.
In the eighties, an amendment was almost passed that said that men and women are equal. It got through Congress and Senate and was going to be annexed, but a group of anti-feminist conservative women claimed that the bill would include women in the draft, or something like that [Draft ended several years later. Whoops.] and bussed around to tell senators that.
For the same reason that they opposed the draft, the same group of anti-feminist conservative women opposed Title Nine [mandate that schools may not treat their sports teams differently {furthermore, they must actually HAVE girl's sports teams}]. They believed it would force girls to run the same distances in track [oh boohoo :I] or force co-ed sports. That didn't happen. [Because no one cared as long as the girls got to play competitively as well.] It did lead to some schools doing skeevy things to make the number of female athletes look higher than it was, though.

Things that need to be fixed:
-Women should discuss women's health issues [anything regarding female genitalia] and men should discuss men's health issues [anything regarding male genitalia], just to keep everyone honest.
-We should all be allowed to wear whatever clothes we want. Men can wear dresses and women can wear...shirts and pants that don't stick to our anatomy.
-Pay the same amount for women and men working the same jobs. It's not that hard, people.
---While your at it, minorities. Pay the same amount for minorities you social darwinist schmucks.

The fact that it's still there doesn't mean it isn't worth explaining. It could be very well that women prefer job security over earning potential, since they are less likely to lose their jobs to the recession and tend to be more risk averse. Also women tend to have more jobs in the public sector than men. Makes sense to me, as testosterone is linked to higher financial risk taking and more competitiveness.

Even within fields men tend to pick the risker choices. For instance in medicine, men tend to pick the high risk and high paying specializations like surgery, where women are more likely to pick pediatrician, dentist or obgyn. In the stock market specifically women tend to be more risk averse and trade less, which makes them more stable in the swings their portfolio will do, however as men take higher risks, they tend to get higher rewards in bull markets and take harder drops in bear markets. Both are perfectly legitimate investment strategies, however the payment structure in the financial industry tend to reward high risk takers more in bull markets. When the bear rolls around, most people do "risk off" and switch to blue chips, commodities, bonds or cash, which limits downside. The result being that the more stable strategy earns less in bull markets and doesn't really make up for that with limited losses in bear markets.

This is one of the reasons why I blame the gender pay gap partially on women, because of their choices being at least one of the causes. If women can pick more money, but do not, then one has to accept the gender pay gap. If the women can elect to go into professions and industries that pay well but do not, then they can't complain that they get paid less. However, in my country this is a regular debate because the nursing field which is more or less 100% public sector and is dominated by women is a low paying field. Whereas the engineering field is a high paying field which is mainly private sector and dominated by men is a high paying field. This is not due to gender distribution, its due to such things as private sector salaries being higher due to lower job security, public sector pension plans being much better than private sector pension plans and more engineers getting extra pay due to uncomfortable working conditions.

The nurses could catch up to the engineers if they were to work more nights, evenings and weekends, however they have repeatedly refused to do so.

identical jobs with identical experience

That's interesting -- I don't follow any new music whatsoever. With sparse exceptions, the 1970's provide the newest music I listen to. My music mind stays mostly in the 18th century.

We now return to the regularly-scheduled debate.

Within the same companies in the same geographic location? Also, are these base salaries or incentive based salaries or a mix of both?

identical jobs with identical experience

Same companies and geographic location?

I bet if I were to seek a job as a waiter, I wouldn't rake in nearly the tips of your average sexy female teenager.

There is at least one where the ladies are ahead.