Do you think marijuana should be legalised?

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Maybe.

You obviously don't get what regulatory roadblocks the government will put in the way of establishing marijuana farming.

Think about what "legalize, regulate and tax" involves. All three levels of government have regulatory tools at their disposal to interfere with farming--and in an environment of regulate and tax you can be damn sure that there will be plenty of regulation. Just look at the legal restrictions on tobacco farming, and you will see what I mean.

Secondly, what capacity will the legitimate producers have to undercut the black market? Black market growers do not comply with employment standards legislation. They do not pay administrative overheads like UI and CPP benefits for their workers, pay for Workers Compensation premiums. At the retail level, they do not charge GST/HST, they would not charge excise taxes and they do not remit a portion of their profits in taxes. All of these factors cut into the return on investment that a legitimate, commercial grower would be able to generate.

In the meanwhile, black market farming, grow ops, and personal gardening will continue to ensure that there will never be a commercial interest that is worth exploiting.

People who think that legalized marijuana would cut out the black marketeers are dreaming in technicolor (tm).

Pharmaceutical companies and greedy drug dealers aren't much different but of course not everyone in the pharmicutical industry is that way nor is every drug dealer. I've looked into it, not to mention I myself have learned the hard way just how harmful prescription drugs can be. SSRI's should have a warning that says 'Unless you want a chemical lobotomy do not take!' Also just because my description does indeed apply to some dealers, does not mean it cannot also apply to pharmacutical companies and from my perspective it does.

Also what is with the advertising, if you are experiencing this ask your doctor to prescribe you this....the messege is you need drug, drugs are good, do drugs........but only the drugs we want you to do. Not to mention its kinda screwed up to use peoples discomfort to convince them they need a drug that is likely to have harmful side effects like many prescription drugs do.

Also I typically pronounce my t's as t's not d's, also how is my veiw naive, if anything its naive to think that these pharmacutical companies really care about your well being and want you to be healthy and don't care so much about selling a product...hell even people who work at doctors offices like my mom have seen how the pharmicutical companies push their products and that some doctors will prescribe a specific drug....because it is better for them financially or whatever than because its better for that patient. Maybe you should look into these things before you accuse someone of being naive.

I am on SSRIs, my girlfriend is on them, members of her family are on them, and many, many other people are on them so please don't patronise me with an attempt at a sob story. Just because you have had adverse effects from them doesn't make pharmaceutical companies or doctors etc bad. You don't have any evidence to give me apart from biased views. I'm not saying anyone is perfect or anyone is evil, and yes, there is s certain amount of good and bad in both the big corporations and drug dealers alike. It's called humanity. But we should obviously go with the safer choice. It's called common sense.
And about prescription drugs having nasty side effects - yes, they can have and indeed do have. But it's all about weighing up the pros and cons of taking the drug, it won't work for everyone, of course not, but it's worth it for many people.

I would say no because Marijuana is a gateway drug. If people start buying a lot of cocaine and such, we shouldn't legalize and tax that too...it leads to a very disturbed population.

There is a country, I think Taiwan, that is much like that. They use meth now to stay ahead, but it began as a light taxation to help the economy. Now they are all rotting frm the inside basically.

Now, let's say that marijuana wasn't a gateway drug. It still has 4 times the carcinogens of cigarettes and causes impaired memory, so the benefits from it in th short term are horrible in the long-term. At least cigarettes don't damage memory.

I am very anti-drug because I saw what they did to my mom's brother. He started with marijuana, then went to cocaine, then methemphetamines, then mixing LSD with cocaine/meth. He now s**ts in a bag, has horrible memoy, cognitive disability and can't hold a job. He currently lives in poverty with his mother, who is spending every last surplus amount from her paycheck on him.

I don't want this story repeated from legalizing marijuana.

Pharmaceutical companies selling weed?



HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No thanks, I'll take my weed *without* chemicals thrown in to make it heavily addictive and harmful thank you very much.


Also, SanityTheorist, that argument is essentially invalid. Marijuana did not make your uncle go take cocaine. It did not make him want to go take cocaine. Your argument is akin to saying "let's band couches because it's a gateway to obesity".

sure there wasnt an underlying reason?

something that was no doubt aggrevated by drugs.

That is with any drug....in general, at least I think its important to weigh the pros and cons before taking a drug.

Last edited by Sweetleaf on 03 Apr 2012, 2:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.

That is quite terrible, but are you sure marijuana is what he started with, or where there any cigarettes and alcohol involved? Also most cannabis users I know don't do cocaine or meth, some also do psychedelics like LSD but those don't destroy your body like excessive meth use would. Also how is continuing to keep marijuana illegal and treating drug users like criminals a good solution? It does not seem to be working too well.

You're pretty much going round in circles now. I've made my point, shared my views and I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this thread.

Alright I posted my opinion and you aggressively shot it down, can't blame me for standing my ground in a rather defensive manner especially if you tell me my opinion is 'paranoid' and 'delusional' even though I've only based it on facts. But good for you there are pleanty of other threads anyways.

the effect you get from eating pot is stronger than the effect of smoking.

They would be handed a legal monopoly on the substance, allowing them to decide the price. As is it is not a very expensive product (depending on where you are) and pharmaceutical companies do not like products that do not make them a lot of money. Besides that a recreational substance should not be controlled by them. The market for openly selling cannabis would be much larger and more accessible. To sell tainted products would be to commit commercial suicide. Legal suicide as well since there would be regulations for anyone who wants to sell it. There could easily be large cannabis companies akin to Budweiser or Heineken that have standards of quality as brand name corporations. Here in Quebec we have a very open cannabis culture and quality is indeed important otherwise customers just move on. It is heavily freelance already... but despite this most vendors sell at equal prices and have similar bulk deals depending on the quality or product. I once heard a joke that cannabis trade is the "last vestige of free enterprise left in America".

I think the ideal situation would be as follows:
-Government run cannabis shops akin to liquor commissions
-All laws applicable to alcohol and tobacco now applicable to marijuana
-Individuals may grow maximum three plants for personal use with a license
-Individuals may grow maximum twenty plants for limited distribution with a license, background check and regular inspections (like a microbrewery, essentially)
-All refined THC products may only be sold in government "cannabis commissions" (this means hashish, qif, extract, pills, foods)

Vigilans, you're making me want to go Quebec. This is not a good thing

I love it here for the most part, even with the problems we have

I just find most Quebecers to be incredibly rude to anyone who speaks English. I know absolutely no French, so it would be.... interesting.