Che Guevara: Hero or Villan?

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09 Jun 2012, 10:25 am

The religious right is opposed to land reform.

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09 Jun 2012, 10:30 am

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The religious right is opposed to land reform.

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09 Jun 2012, 10:41 am

This thread sure has been informative. Thanks Kjas

It's necesary for all of us to understand better the Ché, what he did and why he did it, and the historical context where all of that happened, before passing judgement. And even then, can we really judge others? Violent revolution was born at a time where being elected rightfully was not an option, or an option that would get you killed (Gaitán). And they tend to be... uh.. violent. Guevara wanted to help latin américa get rid of the imperialistic grip the US had on it at the time, and did it the only way he thought would work, and gave his life for his ideals. That's impressive by itself. Need more context about the executions, did he order them himself, or were they ordered by others?

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09 Jun 2012, 10:44 am

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This thread sure has been informative. Thanks Kjas

It's necesary for all of us to understand better the Ché, what he did and why he did it, and the historical context where all of that happened, before passing judgement. And even then, can we really judge others? Violent revolution was born at a time where being elected rightfully was not an option, or an option that would get you killed (Gaitán). And they tend to be... uh.. violent. Guevara wanted to help latin américa get rid of the imperialistic grip the US had on it at the time, and did it the only way he thought would work, and gave his life for his ideals. That's impressive by itself. Need more context about the executions, did he order them himself, or were they ordered by others?

I think he orderd them himself or it could have been Castro that ordered them.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:07 am

Castro ordered them.

He knew it was necessary if he wanted to stay in power and give the country a true chance at sovereignty. Those who were deemed to have committed crimes were the ones who were executed.

Most of those who were executed were high level politicians or army and were essentially war criminals, although traitors and snitches were also included.

Those who did not commit crimes but were considered a serious threat to the revolution, the majority were ordered to leave and some were asked to leave, and a select few with skills were given a choice to join them, but with much less of a paycheck.

Exile was the only other way really. A few stayed on, but most who were considered a threat left.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:10 am

Kjas wrote:

Castro ordered them.

He knew it was necessary if he wanted to stay in power and give the country a true chance at sovereignty. Those who were deemed to have committed crimes were the ones who were executed.

Those who did not commit crimes but were considered a serious threat to the revolution, the majority were ordered to leave and some were asked to leave, and a select few with skills were given a choice to join them, but with much less of a paycheck.

Exile was the only other way really. A few stayed on, but most who were considered a threat left.

Why did he turn on Che?

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09 Jun 2012, 11:20 am

Che Guevara was, himself, executed by CIA lackeys.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WK12B91WwY[/youtube]

Perhaps if he had been imprisoned rather than murdered, then he would have eventually been released as an elder statesman, like Nelson Mandela.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:26 am

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Why did he turn on Che?

Que?

What do you mean? Castro never turned on Che.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:28 am

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Why did he turn on Che?

Que?

What do you mean? Castro never turned on Che.

Oh I thought he may have after Che helped him overthrough the Cuban Government. Guess I was wrong I saw it in a movie based on true events.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:28 am

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I'm not saying I feel bad for Che. I just find it ironic. I really don't like how people have posters of him--they put up a picture of his face but clearly don't understand all of the horrible things that he did.

This is what your government wants you to think. Congratulations.

It was his experiences in Guatemala, where he witnessed the US overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz, that convinced him once and for all that armed revolution was the only solution.

I know that. And I think that it does go some way to explain why he did such terrible things. But it doesn't excuse them.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:30 am

What Fulgencio Batista did in Cuba was way worse then what. Castro and Che did.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:36 am

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Oh I thought he may have after Che helped him overthrough the Cuban Government. Guess I was wrong I saw it in a movie based on true events.

Not at all.

Castro gave him jobs in the literacy program, in the agrarian reform programs, as minster of industries, as president of the national bank, as minster of finance and as an ambassador and international diplomat.

Later it was Castro who funded and organized his trips, support, logistics, and finances for the Congo, and later for Bolivia also.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:37 am

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Che Guevara was, himself, executed by CIA lackeys.

Perhaps if he had been imprisoned rather than murdered, then he would have eventually been released as an elder statesman, like Nelson Mandela.

Maybe. But I think that it was his execution and martyrdom which has really made him famous.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:39 am

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Oh I thought he may have after Che helped him overthrough the Cuban Government. Guess I was wrong I saw it in a movie based on true events.

He doesn't sound like a villian then. He did things for the greater good getting rid of a brutal dictator.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:45 am

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What Fulgencio Batista did in Cuba was way worse then what. Castro and Che did.

I think people tend to forget something when it comes to the executions, if Castro had not done them, then the Cuban people would have.

During the Machado era, the city was in chaos, and the people took justice into their own hands, along with settling many personal scores.

The only way to prevent that happening again was to show them that justice in some form was being done. The people were definitely in a lynching mood at that point. Failing to do something about it could have caused chaos to erupt again and the tenuous hold of control they had on the city would have been lost.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:48 am

Kjas wrote:

Joker wrote:

What Fulgencio Batista did in Cuba was way worse then what. Castro and Che did.

I can understand why they where in a lynch mob. At the time that brutal dictator needed to be stopped me personally I like Che the legacy he left behind. Not only that but the US was backing that dictator that was not cool.

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