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13 Jul 2012, 10:53 pm

It is pointless to worry about jobs when talking about immigrants. Legal immigrants are usually legal because they are much better than the average US dude at what they do. (Or because they married a US citizen, in which case they are here to have sex and children with you which is a different issue). If an immigrant is better than you, then he is not taking YOUR job, but someone else's, someone more qualified :).

It becomes funny later, because these top tier immigrants end becoming "job generators" like the right loves to call them.

Then we have the illegals. What are illegals going to do? Cut your roses? Clean your bathrooms? You know, all those jobs you DON'T want to do.

And the funniest thing about jobs in the immigration debate is. If you manage to forbid immigrants. You are only creating more encouragement for companies to outsource. Outsourcing is GREAT and much less expensive than paying immigrants. I have not immigrated to the US, and I am already taking big dollars from a US job thanks to outsourcing (kudos to me). That's the irony here. Your silly-ass immigration law that stopped me from getting a tourist visa is not stopping me from taking your jobs.



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Isn't college in Canada free for you? Why on earth would you pay an arm and a leg to go to school in the U.S. when you could attend in Canada? Plus, Canada has universal healthcare! If I were you, I'd move back to Canada and consider myself lucky.
Err, like seriously, have you heard of MIT? He is not admitted into a random US college, it is MIT. Public College in Canada sounds nice, but MIT is a whole different world.


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14 Jul 2012, 2:07 am

I think that many Americans have, unfortunately, forgotten the words on the Statue of Liberty:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shores.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

When my great grandparents came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in.


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14 Jul 2012, 8:20 am

nominalist wrote:
I think that many Americans have, unfortunately, forgotten the words on the Statue of Liberty:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shores.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

When my great grandparents came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in.


It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in.



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14 Jul 2012, 3:54 pm

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It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in.


Possible, but rare. Immigration officers were mostly processors. There were no immigration quotas and waiting lists.


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15 Jul 2012, 3:08 am

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It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in.


Possible, but rare. Immigration officers were mostly processors. There were no immigration quotas and waiting lists.
Sometimes I wish it was like that today it would be alot easier i think and less need for border patrol.


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15 Jul 2012, 10:18 am

This was one of the few things I really liked about Newt's campaign.

A comprehensive immigration reform that didn't pander to either the "kick them all out" or "let them all be citizens" groups.

http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration/



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15 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm

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ts came to the U.S., they did not have a visa. They arrived in NYC, their names were taken down, and they were let in.[/quote

It was possible for your grand parents to be denied entry as well. They didn't let everyone in.


Immigrants with possible t.b. were quarantined at the entry points. If they show positive signs of the disease they were sent back.

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15 Jul 2012, 2:35 pm

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Immigrants with possible t.b. were quarantined at the entry points. If they show positive signs of the disease they were sent back.


Yes, that was a public health consideration. It was nothing like the immigration policies which exist in the U.S. (and in many other countries) today.


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15 Jul 2012, 3:40 pm

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I'll be in a lot of debt once I graduate from college, believe me. I'll be working hard all my life to pay.


MIT gives financial aid to Canadian citizens (source). What is your argument? So, basically, if I am correct, your argument is based on you filling out the wrong paperwork? In your OP you said you could not apply at all.

I don't feel sorry when this page shows less than half of all graduates HAVE debt (averaging less than $19,000 USD at the end). I had $90,000 at the end and paid them off on a twist of fate.

Did you read the financial aid statistics of MIT before you posted? Or their actual website?



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15 Jul 2012, 5:33 pm

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but if the work is not there, then how is a person suppose be able to make a living? everyone in America should be able to find a job and get somewhere. but now it's foreigners and not Americans that can work sometimes.


Beg, borrow or steal. Or (gasp!) come up with an idea or product that one can sell to others.

You seem to believe ( correct me if I am mistaken) that someone, somewhere owes a job to another who simply needs it.

That is a mistaken belief. No one owes a living to anyone else with the exception of their dependent children.

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no your mistaken, jobs should be there to be provided. you think that people should not have a job to take in. you believe that it's a privilege to work. it's a right not a privilege. i mean sure you have to have a resume ready but it doesn't mean it's a privilege. owes a job? you mean gaining one. not oweing. where do you get your philosphy from? but think what you want. because when the next president comes in, only legal residents can work in u.s. everyone else that stole our jobs illegally are gonna get their butt kicked. cops all over the u.s are finding those people that are here without proof of identity.


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15 Jul 2012, 5:47 pm

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no your mistaken, jobs should be there to be provided. you think that people should not have a job to take in. you believe that it's a privilege to work. it's a right not a privilege. i mean sure you have to have a resume ready but it doesn't mean it's a privilege. owes a job? you mean gaining one. not oweing. where do you get your philosphy from? but think what you want. because when the next president comes in, only legal residents can work in u.s. everyone else that stole our jobs illegally are gonna get their butt kicked. cops all over the u.s are finding those people that are here without proof of identity.


I am ethically opposed to slavery. If A's need creates a duty for B to fulfill it, then B is A's part time slave. That only works for dependent children.

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15 Jul 2012, 6:00 pm

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no your mistaken, jobs should be there to be provided. you think that people should not have a job to take in. you believe that it's a privilege to work. it's a right not a privilege. i mean sure you have to have a resume ready but it doesn't mean it's a privilege. owes a job? you mean gaining one. not oweing. where do you get your philosphy from? but think what you want. because when the next president comes in, only legal residents can work in u.s. everyone else that stole our jobs illegally are gonna get their butt kicked. cops all over the u.s are finding those people that are here without proof of identity.


I am ethically opposed to slavery. If A's need creates a duty for B to fulfill it, then B is A's part time slave. That only works for dependent children.

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I think your saying, if a resturant opens up and the manager needs a server to do the job, then the person gets to have work done for the boss. but not for slavery. your thinking of ww1 and 2 that's been over for 79 years or 100 years. i am not here to argue i am stating my point of today's world.


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15 Jul 2012, 7:43 pm

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I think your saying, if a resturant opens up and the manager needs a server to do the job, then the person gets to have work done for the boss. but not for slavery. your thinking of ww1 and 2 that's been over for 79 years or 100 years. i am not here to argue i am stating my point of today's world.


Turning need into legally enforced duty is enslavement.

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15 Jul 2012, 10:38 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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I think your saying, if a resturant opens up and the manager needs a server to do the job, then the person gets to have work done for the boss. but not for slavery. your thinking of ww1 and 2 that's been over for 79 years or 100 years. i am not here to argue i am stating my point of today's world.


Turning need into legally enforced duty is enslavement.

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enter the healthcare law... :twisted: