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21 Nov 2012, 12:27 pm

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A big boom and me throwing a party.


Really?


Yeah, haven't you heard?

Someone finally decided to complete that sloppy Holocaust job that Triple H couldn't finish during The Third Reich. A few megatons in Tel Aviv and Haifa should do the job... al-Husseini would be proud...


That why Hitler and 'Triple H' would have loved the idea of Israel. Why bother constructing a segregated territory when you can them to do it themselves.


Don't celebrate just yet, antisemite. There are more Jews outside of The State of Israel than are in Israel. Getting rid of the Jews is not easy. It is probably impossible.

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Don't throw out ungrounded accusations of anti semitism, Zionist. Even your own theologian scholars have been saying more or less what I've been saying. A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

I've got no beef with the Jews. Only the bully ones in Palestine throwing their weight around. Frankly I wish they would come back to the west instead of causing problems in the middle east. The s**t is about the hit the fan and they are going to suck the rest of the world in when Iran gets involved.



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21 Nov 2012, 12:36 pm

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Don't throw out ungrounded accusations of anti semitism, Zionist. Even your own theologian scholars have been saying more or less what I've been saying. A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

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In the portion of the tractate San Hedrin (of the Talmud) it also say: If he is coming to kill you, rise up early and kill him first.

That was the premis of the 1967 "six day" War.

What the Orthodox really said was: the kingdom of David would be re-establish in the time of the Messiah. This time has not come. It will probably never come. The Orthodox objected strenuously that a Jewish state be established by secular political means. It turns out they were right.

Dying is contrary to Judaism. Living is consistent with Judaism.

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21 Nov 2012, 12:43 pm

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Don't throw out ungrounded accusations of anti semitism, Zionist. Even your own theologian scholars have been saying more or less what I've been saying. A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

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Dying is contrary to Judaism. Living is consistent with Judaism.

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Last time i checked, Jews in New York and London were lording it up compared to their settler counterparts on the Gaza frontline.



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21 Nov 2012, 12:46 pm

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A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

The nation of Israel was originally built through force at the Jewish God's direction.



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21 Nov 2012, 12:50 pm

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A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

The nation of Israel was originally built through force at the Jewish God's direction.


force against who? The scorpions?

At the time there wasnt a religious grouping called 'Islam' who identified as their own autonomous group.



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21 Nov 2012, 1:21 pm

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A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

The nation of Israel was originally built through force at the Jewish God's direction.


Hitler claimed his mission against the Jews was ordained by God.

Beware of people who tell you they are doing God's work. If God is omnipotent He can do His own work.

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21 Nov 2012, 1:38 pm

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Beware of people who tell you they are doing God's work. If God is omnipotent He can do His own work.

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Well said sir!



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21 Nov 2012, 3:10 pm

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A nation built through force is contrary to Judaism.

The nation of Israel was originally built through force at the Jewish God's direction.


force against who? The scorpions?

At the time there wasnt a religious grouping called 'Islam' who identified as their own autonomous group.

I'm not a bible scholar by any means, but I'm pretty sure Joshua led the Jews to take the "promised land" by conquest. If I remember correctly, he was supposed to wipe the canaanites out completely.



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21 Nov 2012, 3:14 pm

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Hitler claimed his mission against the Jews was ordained by God.

Beware of people who tell you they are doing God's work. If God is omnipotent He can do His own work.

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I wonder how many leaders actually believe it versus just using it as a tool for mass manipulation.



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21 Nov 2012, 5:37 pm

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Beware of people who tell you they are doing God's work. If God is omnipotent He can do His own work.

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Be careful, the same argument could be used against Israel. This is the debate equivalent of throwing a boomerang.

The Palestinians on the other hand, arent specifically claiming to be doing 'god's work'. They just want their ancestral land back. In terms of reasons why I side with them, well, thats a biggie.



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21 Nov 2012, 6:42 pm

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The Palestinians on the other hand, arent specifically claiming to be doing 'god's work'. They just want their ancestral land back. In terms of reasons why I side with them, well, thats a biggie.


Too bad for them. They are not going to get it back. No more than American Indians are getting back the buffalo and the hunting grounds.

Do you expect Americans to give it all back to the aboriginal tribes? You don't? Then why do you expectg Israel to give land they won in previous wars back?

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