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24 Feb 2013, 3:17 am

Of course. He sounds like an idiot either way.



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24 Feb 2013, 5:14 am

It occurred to me the other day that the US government does this exact thing all the time, except they call it a "signature strike" rather than blind firing, and more innocent people get killed. And no one goes to jail, of course.


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24 Feb 2013, 5:21 am

Jono wrote:
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I'm reading he shot her TWICE and there is a history of call outs by the g/f for domestic abuse


Wouldn't he be more vulnerable to domestic violence if anything? I'm skeptical about this, the guy's an amputee with both legs missing.


"All things being equal" he should be "more likely to be abused". The "things that are not equal" in this case seem to be temperament (with reports of his being volatile) and muscle mass (I'd assume the paralympian has more of it). He's also probably has high endurance.


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24 Feb 2013, 8:13 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Jono wrote:
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I'm reading he shot her TWICE and there is a history of call outs by the g/f for domestic abuse


Wouldn't he be more vulnerable to domestic violence if anything? I'm skeptical about this, the guy's an amputee with both legs missing.


"All things being equal" he should be "more likely to be abused". The "things that are not equal" in this case seem to be temperament (with reports of his being volatile) and muscle mass (I'd assume the paralympian has more of it). He's also probably has high endurance.


We are way past that. I did not know all the facts, (at least not as many facts as I do now) when I wrote that. I had only just heard that he shot his girlfriend at the time and most news stories were reporting it as an accident at the time. But even so, his mobility still depends on whether or not he's wearing his prosthetic legs and his muscle mass doesn't change that. There is some indication that there may have been incidences of DV with his ex-girlfriend, I am not discounting that though.



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25 Feb 2013, 9:46 am

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Oh wonderful. Given that someone lost her life, that's pretty poor.



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27 Feb 2013, 4:46 pm

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But Visa, that wouldn't let the OP try and score cheap political points from a tragedy!


Pot. Kettle. Black.

Let's not forget the very basic fact of this case - smart South African model was shot dead by a firearm.
That cannot be disputed.


Which changes... what, exactly?

She's dead. If he had of stabbed her, she'd still be dead. If he had of strangled her, she'd still be dead.

Are you going to go off about knives and hands now as well?


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28 Feb 2013, 12:47 am

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Are you going to go off about knives and hands now as well?


Well, he is awfully fond of that British law that makes it a crime to carry a golf club if you're not on your way to the driving range, but generally he only cares about guns; I'd go so far as to call him an anti-gun nut, emphasis on the nut part.


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28 Feb 2013, 4:17 am

Dox47 wrote:
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Are you going to go off about knives and hands now as well?


Well, he is awfully fond of that British law that makes it a crime to carry a golf club if you're not on your way to the driving range, but generally he only cares about guns; I'd go so far as to call him an anti-gun nut, emphasis on the nut part.


The thing is though, victims of domestic violence are statistically 3 times more likely to get killed if there is a firearm in the house than otherwise. That's why people who have been accused of domestic violence in the past aren't legally supposed to get firearm licenses in South Africa.



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28 Feb 2013, 4:37 am

Jono wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
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Are you going to go off about knives and hands now as well?


Well, he is awfully fond of that British law that makes it a crime to carry a golf club if you're not on your way to the driving range, but generally he only cares about guns; I'd go so far as to call him an anti-gun nut, emphasis on the nut part.


The thing is though, victims of domestic violence are statistically 3 times more likely to get killed if there is a firearm in the house than otherwise. That's why people who have been accused of domestic violence in the past aren't legally supposed to get firearm licenses in South Africa.


Proof of statistic?


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28 Feb 2013, 9:16 am

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I'd go so far as to call him an anti-gun nut, emphasis on the nut part.


That's a bit negative and misleading. I'm pro-life humanitarianist - I vehemently oppose preventable deaths...and the gun is the epitome of preventable deaths.



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28 Feb 2013, 3:50 pm

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That's a bit negative and misleading. I'm pro-life humanitarianist - I vehemently oppose preventable deaths...and the gun is the epitome of preventable deaths.


Than why don't you seem to care about far more preventable deaths from more prosaic causes like malnutrition, lack of clean water, or diseases for which we have cheap vaccines? I don't see you flooding the forum with stories about those deaths, or even murders not involving guns, of which there are also many. Add in the hysteria factor, for which you actually received a mod warning, and I stand by my characterization.


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28 Feb 2013, 3:52 pm

Jono wrote:
The thing is though, victims of domestic violence are statistically 3 times more likely to get killed if there is a firearm in the house than otherwise. That's why people who have been accused of domestic violence in the past aren't legally supposed to get firearm licenses in South Africa.


Read those studies carefully some time, you might be surprised at the methodology they used to arrive at their conclusions.


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28 Feb 2013, 6:28 pm

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Than why don't you seem to care

There aren't any debates on PPR about those issues.

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far more preventable deaths

I disagree. The issues you raise are infinitely more complex than the issue of gun violence.

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which you actually received a mod warning, and I stand by my characterization.

That mod was a simply a person with a different view. OH WOW.



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28 Feb 2013, 7:05 pm

J-Greens wrote:
There aren't any debates on PPR about those issues.


Then if you care so much, start them. Or admit that being anti gun is more important to you than saving lives.

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I disagree. The issues you raise are infinitely more complex than the issue of gun violence.


Well you would, considering your inability to grasp the complexities of violence beyond the simplistic "guns r bad!" level. Nonetheless, I'll give you a softball; end the drug war(s) and GWOT. Either of those things would save a lot more lives than gun control, and yet you're silent on them. I'm a vocal critic of both because I actually want to save lives, not just ban things that I personally find frightening.

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That mod was a simply a person with a different view. OH WOW.


A fellow Brit who's attitude towards firearms could be described as skeptical at best?

As an aside, notice that your position, pro gun control, is the more popular one here on WP, and yet no one is chiming in to agree with or defend you and your arguments. That should tell you something about the way you're approaching the debate.


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28 Feb 2013, 7:09 pm

Just for fun, Joe Biden has recently been quoted saying that the ideal weapon for home defense is a double barreled shotgun, and that the proper way to employ it is to fire both barrels into the air as a warning to intruders on your property, and that in an emergency you can shoot it through the door... And people wonder why I hold anti-gun politicians in such contempt, seeing as how their "advice" is to commit multiple felonies and needlessly endanger innocent people to say nothing of their ignorance.


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28 Feb 2013, 9:24 pm

I bet nobody had this in their deadpools.