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16 Apr 2013, 4:20 am

Red-hair isn't doing herself any favours in terms of tone, but I agreed with everything she said.

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16 Apr 2013, 8:23 am

I cant take the redhead seriously because shes ranting and cussing like an uneducated person with constant anger! She makes her point but shes super pissed! LOL when someone whos constantly pissed and ranting and cussing like that it is easy to troll that person!He could be a jerk and say back to her yes you do you hate men and laugh etc! But yeah MRAs cant be taken seriously either because like she did say they are wasting most of their time pointing fingers at feminists saying they want to take men's rights away etc when they are really trying to tackle the same kinds of issues regarding gender inequality!

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16 Apr 2013, 8:25 am

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If you don't get that MRAs are basically a counter-feminist backlash with desires to go back to when men could do whatever the hell they wanted, then I guess you have the good fortune to have never hung out much on Spearhead or Reddit. Keep that up; it's better for your sanity.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/

Thanks very much for the recommendation--I'd never heard of that one before. :wink:

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16 Apr 2013, 10:01 am

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Hearing a message and paying attention to the message are completely different things.

There are plenty of religious groups that I've never even heard of, and if they engaged me in polite conversation about their religion, I'd pay attention to what they had to say. If a group like the Westbro "Baptist" "Church" were screaming some nonsense at me, I might not be able to avoid hearing it, but I would not take it at all seriously.

Really, I don't think that being calm and polite hurt your chances of being listened to.

Only Westboro Baptists do not just scream nonsense. The main problem is what they literally believe, not their tone. If I was gay why would I want to have a polite conversation with someone who thinks I deserve eternal torture for the way I was born?

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16 Apr 2013, 10:12 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeX6F-Q63I[/youtube]

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16 Apr 2013, 10:56 am

http://manboobz.com/2013/04/15/canadian ... activists/

Interesting, but not at all surprising.

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Earlier this month, as many of you no doubt know, a Men’s Rights group sponsored a lecture at the University of Toronto. The event drew protesters, and the protesters drew MRAs with video cameras. One of the MRAs filmed a confrontation between a red-haired feminist activist and a number of MRAs who continually interrupted her as she tried to read a brief statement.

Her crime? She wasn’t exactly polite in responding to the interrupters. And so, after video of the confrontation was uploaded to YouTube, and linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit and elsewhere, she became a virtual punching bag for the angry misogynists of the internet.

A Voice for Men, naturally, led the charge, running an article by Canadian MRA Dan Perrins labeling her “Little red frothing fornication mouth” and commenting on her breasts. The Amazing Atheist weighed in with a video I couldn’t bring myself to even watch.

Since being targeted by angry YouTube misogynists and MRAs, the red-haired activist has received death threats, rape threats and literally hundreds of other hateful and harassing messages. She’s also been “doxxed” — that is, she’s had her personal information plastered all over the internet, including on A Voice for Men’s forum. Ten days after being uploaded to YouTube, the video of her faceoff against the MRAs has garnered more than 300,000 views, and YouTubers are still leaving threats and insults and crude sexual comments.

This, apparently, is what “Men’s Human Rights Activism” consists of: the doxxing and harassment of individual women.

This pretty much happens to every feminist who gets media attention, including male feminists. But also, this line applies to some people I see here being their usual lovely selves "she became a virtual punching bag for the angry misogynists of the internet." and people like that are really the entire reason I have a hard time participating here anymore, because the stuff in this thread is really minor and barely scratches the surface.

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16 Apr 2013, 11:28 am

temporary lock until i remove further of-topic arguments. if it happens again, the lock will stay on.

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16 Apr 2013, 12:31 pm

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temporary lock until i remove further of-topic arguments. if it happens again, the lock will stay on.

thread unlocked. please keep the thread on-topic as the off-topic argument severely derailed the thread the first time around. thank you.

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16 Apr 2013, 12:50 pm

meems wrote:

The rape and death threats are uncalled for, but to dismiss everything else other than that as misogynistic completely glosses over her rude and obnoxious conduct. And what do you expect from a place like the internet which gives people the balls to voice extreme opinions behind the safety of their screens?

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16 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

If she wasnt so loud and obnoxious she may have gotten better attention and people would listen! The more loud and obnoxious followed by non stop swear words spewed out, the less the person on the other end is going to care or listen!

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16 Apr 2013, 1:00 pm

meems wrote:

http://manboobz.com/2013/04/15/canadian-feminist-activist-receives-death-threats-and-other-abuse-after-being-targeted-by-mens-rights-activists/

Interesting, but not at all surprising.

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The author is exaggerating, it seems.

I see only one death threat so far (and it's from "Islamic Brotherhood"). Try not to mix things in order to mislead.

As for the personal attacks on her character, she asked for it. She was indeed obnoxious and a b***h.

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16 Apr 2013, 1:07 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

But doncha know people hate her just because she has a vagina? And that men hate women raising their voices not because it's out of line but because it's out of place?

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I just love how all those rape and death threats are conflated with personal attacks on her character alone. Way to make even more of a victim out of someone who lacks the most basic f*****g manners. If it's all about equality why is it misogynistic to hold a grown ass woman responsible for her own actions? Would they rather have me treat her like a little girl who doesn't know any better than screaming and shouting at people to get her point across? Then again she does have the same level of maturity...

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16 Apr 2013, 1:56 pm

Yes, she's such an obxious, gendered slur for protesting an event for MRAs that had an MRA who advocates rape and parent-child incest registered to speak.

Incest:
http://manboobz.com/2012/11/21/what-men ... nt-page-3/

Date rape:

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“If a man ignoring a woman’s verbal ‘no’ is committing date rape, then a woman who says ‘no’ with her verbal language but ‘yes’ with her body language is committing date fraud. And a woman who continues to be sexual even after she says ‘no’ is committing date lying,” wrote Farrell in the 1993 book.

http://thevarsity.ca/2012/11/17/arrest- ... s-lecture/

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16 Apr 2013, 2:00 pm

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meems wrote:

Honestly, I don't really expect much from people here anymore. As for the rest of the net, I'm not going there to connect with other people on the spectrum, so I tend not to react as if I expect people to have any basic humanity.

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16 Apr 2013, 2:51 pm

Whoever she is, she is now the world's most readily recognizable redhead since Lucille Ball.

What she does with her newfound fame is up to her. I'd imagine that she'll shortly be making the rounds of the talk show circuit.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rihu8_nbhw8[/youtube]

If she writes any books or articles, then she'll certainly be getting loads of readers.

She actually reminds me a lot of another well-known redhead: Ethel Merman, particularly in her character in the movie It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee3CPfH2O_I[/youtube]

Take away the Feminist Redhead's handy buzzwords (patriarchy, etc.), and you basically have Ethel Merman. Which goes to show: women are still women, regardless of ideology.

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16 Apr 2013, 3:14 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:

We only get to see her reaction, never what incited her to begin with. I'm surprised nobody has considered this. She was also speaking to people who obviously had no intention of listening to her regardless of her tone of voice, and knowing MRAs they probably bombarded her with asinine, loaded questions and insinuations, so they probably reaped what they sew. I doubt she intended her message to anybody but those in front of her, she was in the middle of a heated argument. It was unpleasant to watch either way

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