Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:09 am

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I never said Karl Marx wasn't a communist, that quote is describing state socialism, the thing he thought would eventually lead to Communism. You are now just resorting to bully tactics.

Quoting Karl Marx is now "bully tactics"?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:48 am

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Conservatives define fairness as a responsibility of the poor to transfer wealth to the rich.

How?

As example by inventing laws, that allow employers to misuse their workcraft by allowing them to create working contracts that are not giving the worker the same benefit of his work as the employer. By inventing lies that the worker would be free to agree to this contracts, when there can be no free desicion as long as you have to be afraid of lacking basic living supplies. And inventing a police force and laws, that supports the employer when giving contracts that let the worker not benefit from his own work in the same amount, are protecting the employers unfair share with lethal power, while forbiding the worker to do the same.

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03 Jun 2013, 4:52 am

Where is this place that you are talking about?

If you mean the US, that is total bullsh*t.

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03 Jun 2013, 5:07 am

So there are laws in the US, that force employers to pay at least as much as is needed for minimum living standard, and if he doesnt the worker is allowed to take the money that the employer has stolen by force, and the police will not defend the employer and fight the worker that only wants to own what is his right and was stolen by the employer? Sorry, I have heard so often stories about people that need to work in three jobs, to afford minimum living standard, so I thought these laws I speak of, that wouldnt allow to pay workers under minimum standard, wouldnt exist. But ok, if they exist, I escuse myself.

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03 Jun 2013, 7:37 am

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I dont see myself as an empathless lone wolf. I see myself as a logic dominated being, and from logic views communism is functioning. Its only NTs desire for ape-behaviour, fighting for Alpha positions and such nonsense that let our societies people choose to buy themselves nonsense to increase in the ape hierarchy instead of helping someone else,

You are living on The Planet of the Apes. 99 percent of the human race is NT. Get used to it.

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03 Jun 2013, 12:35 pm

Dox47 wrote:

RushKing wrote:

I never said Karl Marx wasn't a communist, that quote is describing state socialism, the thing he thought would eventually lead to Communism. You are now just resorting to bully tactics.

Quoting Karl Marx is now "bully tactics"?

If you are debating an anarchist with quotes describing state socialism, you are definitely using bully tactics. I can take in ideas I see fit from Marx and discard others like any other rational human being. I don't view him as someone who was always wrong or always right.

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03 Jun 2013, 1:59 pm

A classless society is impossible.

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03 Jun 2013, 2:11 pm

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A classless society is impossible.

Under Socialism, I think the rulers and bureaucrats are the upper class.

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03 Jun 2013, 2:23 pm

RushKing wrote:

If you are debating an anarchist with quotes describing state socialism, you are defiantly using bully tactics.

How? Bullying would be mocking you or calling you stupid or something to that effect, quoting someone who you think is irrelevant to the conversation doesn't exactly fit that description.

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03 Jun 2013, 2:40 pm

eric76 wrote:

androbot2084 wrote:

A classless society is impossible.

Under Socialism, I think the rulers and bureaucrats are the upper class.

State socialism

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03 Jun 2013, 4:19 pm

Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:33 pm

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Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

If you think that those who have the control aren't going to do what they can to make their own life more comfortable, regardless of the plight of the working class, then you need to do some serious rethinking.

And even if the communist working class did pull the communist rulers down to the lowest level, then so what? Is it better to be at the bottom with everyone else with no chance to better your circumstances? Especially when that bottom is substantially lower than the bottom in other countries where people can and do benefit from their own work?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:38 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

What planet are you from? In every instance where a "communist" state was set up, the people who ruled somehow fared better than the workers they "served".

In the late and unlamented Soviet Union the big wigs had dachas and chauffered cars. The workers had far less. Most hardly had a pot to pee in.

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04 Jun 2013, 5:30 am

ruveyn wrote:

Schneekugel wrote:

You are living on The Planet of the Apes. 99 percent of the human race is NT. Get used to it.

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I am living on and part of a planet of apes that is developing since existence. 2500 years some outdated people meant that slavery is part of the normal society, so the revolutioners shall get used to it, 100 years ago woman were ownage and according to some outdated people that would always be so and women should get used to it, 150.000 years ago we had to let our old people left to die when they couldnt run any longer as fast as the rest, ...

We change, so why not believe that we are able to change for the better.

Sure there will be no worldpeace suddenly tomorrow. But if lots of generations are willing to work on their little brickstone, maybe in some dozend generations people will be able to build that worldpeace from all the little brickstones.

I refuse to believe, that humanity is doomed to be s**t. ^^

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14 Jun 2018, 2:46 am

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Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.

Do you mean National Syndicalism as in Fascism or Syndicalist as in Anarcho Syndicalism?

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18 Jun 2018, 12:09 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

I guess the working class. So workers a rulers.

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