Is anybody tired of Obama or the Democrats?

Page 6 of 8 [ 128 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

sonofghandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,540
Location: Cleveland, OH (and not the nice part)

20 Feb 2014, 8:08 am

While I have no love for the Dems, I do have to address some of these points:

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is having federal agents armed with automatic weapons raid a guitar factory in Tennessee two times for the purpose of government sponsored extortion.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is having the NSA spy on every single American citizen.

This type of action has been going on far longer than Obama has been in office.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is using the IRS to target specific groups during an election cycle to hinder their effectiveness.

Despite what Fox tells you, there were plenty of extreme liberal groups treated to the same.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is using the NLRB to punish a company for having the audacity to build a factory in a Right to Work state.

The NLRB operates entirely independently of the White House administration.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is preventing State Department employees from talking to Congress about the terrorist attack in Benghazi.

After 26 hearings and multiple committees devoted entirely to this end, what exactly do you think is still being hidden?

And how many Congressional hearings were called over the deaths of 13 American diplomats in terror attacks between 2001-08?

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is attacking a specific news organization and calling them an enemy of the state.

Standard for both parties.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is passing legislation without having read it.

Again, standard for both parties.

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is allowing Black Panthers to intimidate voters.

1) Do you think that those responsible ran it by Obama first?

2) Do you think that the New Black Panthers have any association with Obama at all?

3) Do you feel that the Republicans haven't been guilty of passing laws specifically to reduce the number of votes cast for Democrats?

Shrapnel wrote:

Obama has a history of using the government to oppress his enemies, if a Republican had done this, the national media would be calling for impeachment.

Yet again, standard procedure for both parties.

BS, misdirection, misinformation, corruption, abuse of power, and attacking opposition are all tactics used by everyone in the DC political arena.

_________________
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently" -Nietzsche

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

20 Feb 2014, 9:05 am

When the president chooses who sits on the NLRB board and the Supreme court by using recess appointments to side step the Senate, how is that remotely construed as independent?

I find it very tiring and cliché to equate another's opinions to fox or faux news, but it's become rather predictable, like Godwins Law.

sonofghandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,540
Location: Cleveland, OH (and not the nice part)

20 Feb 2014, 9:32 am

Shrapnel wrote:

When the president chooses who sits on the NLRB board and the Supreme court by using recess appointments to side step the Senate, how is that remotely construed as independent?

When you have Republicans blocking the approval of dozens of appointments, what did you expect? If they had bothered to approve/reject the appointments when they should have, they would have had a say. This practice is not exclusive to Obama or the Democrats.

And if that is your main argument, then whatever party controls the White House controls the entire government, which is absurd.

Shrapnel wrote:

I find it very tiring and cliché to equate another's opinions to fox or faux news, but it's become rather predictable, like Godwins Law.

If you stop repeating the cliches spewed by Fox almost word for word, then I will stop equating your posts to them.

If it makes you feel any better, I despise MSNBC just as much as Fox.

_________________
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently" -Nietzsche

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

20 Feb 2014, 9:58 am

FYI, cable priced itself out of our home 2 years ago, so it’s unlikely that I could spew clichés word for word from any network. But it’s apparent that you consider your opinion as unassailable, so no matter how plausible what I say may be, it will obviously be ignored.

TheGoggles
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 20 Oct 2013
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,060

20 Feb 2014, 10:24 am

Shrapnel wrote:

Do you have any sense of irony?

sonofghandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,540
Location: Cleveland, OH (and not the nice part)

20 Feb 2014, 11:03 am

Shrapnel wrote:

My sole opinion in this thread is that those in power in the US are all guilty of the same BS political games and that no one side has the moral high ground. If you would like to argue that point, I am more than willing to consider your opinions and reasoning, as well as any refernces you provide.

PS, Fox is a network that you don't need cable to watch. And you can get the exact same garbage from the radio, online, and magazines. I use "Fox" as a blanket term for the Republican propaganda machine the same way I use "MSNBC" as a blanket term for the Democratic propaganda machine. So you may not get your words directly from Fox, but that is usually where the conservative side garbage originates. It is then essentially copied and pasted into the scripts for the rest of the Republican machine (same goes for the liberal side).

_________________
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently" -Nietzsche

Master_Pedant
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,903

20 Feb 2014, 11:40 am

Shrapnel wrote:

I find it very tiring and cliché to equate another's opinions to fox or faux news, but it's become rather predictable, like Godwins Law.

Sorta like this, eh?

Shrapnel wrote:

It is apparent from your repeated and inapplicable interjection of the same liberal talking points that your indoctrination is complete.

_________________
http://www.voterocky.org/

Master_Pedant
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Mar 2009
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,903

20 Feb 2014, 11:44 am

sonofghandi wrote:

Shrapnel wrote:

MSNBC is much less established or influential than Fox News and seems to have at least somewhat less message discipline (to the best of my knowledge, there isn't the same type of internal memo based control from management and they give a sh*tload of time to "Very Serious Person" and conservative Joe Scarborough each morning).

The management of MSNBC also seems more interested in reigning in anchors than does Fox's big shots, who're more interested in provoking partisanship in prime time and throughout the rest of the day (MSNBC still has more so-called "straight news" earlier in the day than Fox).

MSNBC has also historically had less efficacy at getting manufactured controversies into the limelight.

http://fullymyelinated.wordpress.com/20 ... asymmetry/

_________________
http://www.voterocky.org/

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

20 Feb 2014, 11:54 am

I submitted evidence how the NLRB is not the independent entity it should be, and you simply deflected with straw men by saying that recess appointments are okay due to partisan obstruction, and that I must be a parrot of fox news. Not all conservatives watch or listen to fox. It’s unfair to treat anyone as anything other than an individual rather than a member of a collective. In reality there are many conservative ideas that I vehemently disagree with, but the liberals make me want to vomit.

I do understand irony, but I also understand and avoid exercises in futility.

ArrantPariah
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Mar 2012
Age: 122
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,972

20 Feb 2014, 12:44 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUfh2ebjLOg[/youtube]

sonofghandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,540
Location: Cleveland, OH (and not the nice part)

20 Feb 2014, 1:29 pm

Shrapnel wrote:

I submitted evidence how the NLRB is not the independent entity it should be, and you simply deflected with straw men by saying that recess appointments are okay due to partisan obstruction

I did not say that it was ok, just gave the reason why and mentioned that this practice didn't start with Obama.

Your "evidence" against the NLRB is anything but evidence. You imply that any presidential nominee to any government position means that the president who appointed that nominee controls that segment of the government, which is just plain silly.

Shrapnel wrote:

, and that I must be a parrot of fox news.

You spew identical false and/or faulty tag-lines that Fox vomits out on a regular basis, so perhaps you can understand my assumption.

Shrapnel wrote:

Not all conservatives watch or listen to fox.

True, but the majority either get their info from Fox or one of its clones in other branches of media.

Shrapnel wrote:

It’s unfair to treat anyone as anything other than an individual rather than a member of a collective.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop painting all liberals with your stereotyping paintbrush.

_________________
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently" -Nietzsche

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

20 Feb 2014, 2:08 pm

You can read, but I don’t know that you can comprehend. I said that his RECESS APPOINTMENTS to the NLRB, which bypassed the normal nomination process, stacked the deck effectively making that agency an arm of the democratic party.

My point has been that democrats are every bit as tyrannical as republicans are accused of being. You haven’t come close to proving otherwise, choosing instead to type irrelevant and childish insults. In fact your position seems to be that if republicans do it, it’s acceptable for democrats to do it as well.

sonofghandi wrote:

Shrapnel wrote:

It’s unfair to treat anyone as anything other than an individual rather than a member of a collective.

Perhaps you should take your own advice and stop painting all liberals with your stereotyping paintbrush.

I'm not accusing liberals of doing that. I am accusing you. You are projecting your own stereotypes.

sonofghandi
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,540
Location: Cleveland, OH (and not the nice part)

20 Feb 2014, 2:37 pm

Shrapnel wrote:

You do realize that recess appointments have been around for a long time, don't you?

And just for the record in July 2013, the Senate confirmed all five of Obama's nominees for the NLRB (which consists of 5 members and a chair, meaning that there was only 1 person left on the NLRB at that time): Hirozawa, Johnson, Miscimarra, Pearce, and Schiffer. Johnson and Miscimarra were the Republican picks for the board accepted by the Obama administration as part of a compromise, so your concerns of a Democrat controlled NLRB are quite unfounded. But go ahead and keep reciting your party-line dogma to me if it makes you happy.

And another thing: a recess appointment must be approved by the Senate before the end of the next session of Congress, or else the position becomes vacant again (which is why there were 5 appointees that needed to be approved).

Shrapnel wrote:

My point has been that democrats are every bit as tyrannical as republicans are accused of being. You haven’t come close to proving otherwise, choosing instead to type irrelevant and childish insults. In fact your position seems to be that if republicans do it, it’s acceptable for democrats to do it as well.

And my point is that Republicans are every bit as tyrannical as Democrats are accused of being.

_________________
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently" -Nietzsche

Shrapnel
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Jul 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 555

20 Feb 2014, 3:20 pm

When Obama made the appointments to the NLRB in 2012, the Senate was not in recess, they were holding pro forma sessions every three days. Perhaps that's why the Supreme Court is looking into the matter.

Jan. 13, 2014 New York Times : "Supreme Court questions Obama’s recess appointment power"

sonofghandi wrote:

You do realize that recess appointments have been around for a long time, don't you?

“So if you ignore the Constitution often enough, its meaning changes?” ~ Justice Antonin Scalia

equestriatola
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Aug 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 154,040
Location: Wherever my mind wants it to be

20 Feb 2014, 3:26 pm

Personally, Obama has to 'man up', if you get my drift. And, on another note, it's more like I'm sick of both parties, really.

_________________
Hey, all. I'm just Johnny. Go ahead and talk to me if ya wish.

Max000
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 Apr 2012
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,547

20 Feb 2014, 3:42 pm

Shrapnel wrote:

Tyranny is having federal agents armed with automatic weapons raid a guitar factory in Tennessee two times for the purpose of government sponsored extortion.

Tyranny is having the NSA spy on every single American citizen.

Tyranny is using the IRS to target specific groups during an election cycle to hinder their effectiveness.

Tyranny is using the NLRB to punish a company for having the audacity to build a factory in a Right to Work state.

Tyranny is preventing State Department employees from talking to Congress about the terrorist attack in Benghazi.

Tyranny is attacking a specific news organization and calling them an enemy of the state.

Tyranny is passing legislation without having read it.

Tyranny is allowing Black Panthers to intimidate voters.

Obama has a history of using the government to oppress his enemies, if a Republican had done this, the national media would be calling for impeachment. And Obama isn't a democrat, he only plays one on TV.

How about the USA PATRIOT Act. signed into law by George W. f*****g Bush that made most of that possible. You Republicans are a riot. You attack the Democrats for doing the exact same things that the Republicans have been doing for 50 years.

But it is only tyranny when a Democrat does it. :roll:

Page 6 of 8 [ 128 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 Next

Jump to:

Is anybody tired of Obama or the Democrats? Post Reply New Topic

Is anybody tired of Obama or the Democrats?