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Nah.

He isnt a troll.
He is hapless hiker stumbling into a hornets' nest.

He is newcomer to WP, saw that there was a "religion, and all that other stuff..." forum, and decided that that would be a good place to testify to his born again faith. So thats what he did. Pretty straightforward. Being new to WP he didnt know that the PPR forum was not Sunday School, but a cross between the high school debating club, and the World Wide Wrestling Federation.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had a conversation along the lines of:

Me: You're being an stupid
Them: Don't call me stupid
Me: I didn't call you an stupid, I said you were being stupid

Am I alone in finding this incredibly annoying? The logical conclusion is that I don't believe the person I am addressing is stupid, otherwise I wouldn't expect them to act otherwise.

With that in mind the OP certainly comes across as troll-like, which isn't to say that the OP is a troll, merely that he is likely trolling.

Off-topic:

It's nice to see that aghogday has dialled down the gibberish, although there are still residual hints of its former glory.

It's like Plato's cave; language alone or logic alone will not get one out; took me over 5 decades to really know that, but it's more than worth it out of the cave, to not know that.

And no, it's no gibberish at all, if one lives out of the cave.

Additionally, considering the rest of your comment above, the irony here is at least interesting to me, too.

You may have rationalized a creator, which doesn't answer what created the creator.

But even if you believe in a creator doesn't mean that the Biblical version make any sense. Apart from not making any real mention of the universe at all, and very much writen from a worldly and historical human perspective, Christian teachings assume:

1. The creator is still there
2. The creator cares what happens or even thinks at all
3. The creator wants to be worshiped
4. The creator cares about ritual
5. The creator is moral absolutist
6. The creator contradicts itself about being a moral absolutist and is hypocritical
7. The creator likes arbitrary rules the make no sense and have nothing to do with morality
8. The creator suddenly decided 4000 year ago, to create an arbitrary doctrine, in an arbitrary place, which is suspiciously like an offshoot Canaanite culture, and at first had five different versions doctrine, even multiple gods and even a wife of Yahweh, and only became monotheistic after Babylonian invasion.
9. The creator we will meet in the afterlife or there even is an afterlife.
10. The creator is happy to let pain and suffering happen in order to prove a point, when as a creator not just of the universe but of us could easily determine we lead good an moral lives, and has no reason to play this game, or we should even respect them for it.

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This merely reinforces my perception of you as a delusional egotist. I'm not convinced you've ever been "out of the cave".



You will have to be more specific here, I'm afraid. I can think of a multitude of ways in which you might find irony in the rest of my post, although the majority of them would require you to make unqualified assumptions.

I'm not here to make you drink any water or criticize your grammar. But, I'm sure one of the English teachers here will accommodate part of that request on demand, if you like.

I've asked you to do neither. Your ego is misinforming you again.

Here is how you are currently choosing to communicate.

aghog: I'm thinking of a number, bet you don't know which one
me: Can you narrow it down at all? Positive or negative? Upper limit?
aghog: If you just learned to listen to the wind then you would know

I remain convinced that some part of you is aware of what you are doing, aware that the pseudo-sagacious demeanour is a carefully constructed mask. Any chance of a conversation with that aghogday?

There's nothing fake about my wisdom and really nothing new about it either. I'm attempting to communicate it without hurting anyone's feeling which is a very tall order as metaphor here if you will, but you will never win an argument with me as I am not either here to argue or out of desire. I suggest you ignore me as you apparently at this point do not have a way to enter my cave and that's ok here and what I do expect here, for the most but not all the part as metaphor, if you will, too.

This makes recall this time I was in Barnes & Noble and standing at the shelf reading Breaking Bad & Philosophy. This college kid in walked up next to me, and confidently told me in an almost brainwashed sounding voice that if I read about philosophy then I'll find only questions but If I read the Bible then I'll find all the answers.

Once I was in one of those publishers clearance book shops; the ones with all the books that aren't selling or have been superseded with newer editions. Anyway, there were a couple of bibles in the section marked "Magic and mystical" amongst the books on astrology, tarot card reading, Feng-Shui and "Aliens built the pyramids" type books. A woman did her nut; shouting something like "How dare they put bibles in this section!"; she looked furious and shouted "I'm going to speak to the manager!"; her husband sort of smiled and looked embarrassed and I couldn't help laughing. If looks could have killed I'd be pork chops. She must have been one of those rare religious fanatics that you get in the UK. They are few and far between. Very LOUD though.

Late last year there was a news story. Apparently at some Costco store they had placed Bibles in the "Fiction" category. Of course Fox News was all over that story, lol. We can learn a lot from the Bible if it is read with an understanding of its literary and historical context, but to take the Bible as literal history or science or to claim it is the absolute guide to morality is BS in my opinion.

I'm always surprised how much space in a general bookstore is used for the "esoteric" material compared to factual stuff.

The batshit crazy ones stand out all the more in the UK because of their rarity.

She was probably a tarot card fanatic

Thank you for revealing how WP treats people of a certain religious group. One which is becoming universally hated, especially on the internet. The only problem I have with this thread in its opening post is the way Lord is misspelled in the title. I thought I would open it and either see a sarcastic bashing of Christians, or a complaint about the way the word "Lord" sounds like "lard" if you sing it with incorrect mouth embouchure.

Reading the rest of the thread, I see wp is typical of the world wide web in that it feels Biblical Christianity and Young Earth Creationism are the only beliefs that are intolerable.

Thanks a lot. I feel less welcome here now than I did when I first decided to join. Science only discredits creation and young earth if you view it from a pre-conceived evolutionary, cosomological (the universe is all that there is all that there was and all that there ever will be), big bang and/or uniformitarianist paradigm. If you begin from a mindset of believing in the spiritual, in the word of God, and the accuracy of the Creation and Deluge stories, the data still all makes sense; it just points to a different reality.

Yes, I read Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis magazine and the Creation Ministries International magazine. No, that does not make me an ignorant, unscientific, uneducated moron.

It just means I look at the data from a different angle than the rest of you. The angle of God created the world, we are all spiritual beings not just animals, and the deluge shaped the geographical features of the globe not billions of years of natural forces.

I'm sorry to discover that Wrong Planet treats believers this way. I've seen the thread about how WP treats females. Now I feel even more marginalised.

I hope y'all find a way to respect beliefs that you disagree with. I hope I don't have to stay out of the politics, philosophy and religion sub-forum. I hope people can listen to different ideas without resorting to personal attacks like the ones leveled against the OP on the first page of this thread.

But after ten years on the internet I have my doubts. People on the web can be like vicious thought-police to people with politically incorrect, minority viewpoints that line up with Biblical teaching. Sometimes it seems like everyone online takes their marching orders from the Huffington Post.