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01 Oct 2016, 1:04 am

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but relative to other western nations, we aren't taking proper care of our infrastructure and it is crumbling before us.


Yes and by now it could be too late to stop the crumble.


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01 Oct 2016, 1:05 am

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01 Oct 2016, 1:09 am

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well it has come to this:


great movie by the way.


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01 Oct 2016, 1:11 am

dayum. :|



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03 Oct 2016, 12:49 pm

As far as first world countries, in certain areas such as healthcare access it's lacking. But that's still a generalization, and you also have to take into account the entire economy rather than just "pointing fingers at the 1%" or whatever.

For example the population of the entire US is far bigger than many European countries with single-payer healthcare, and therefore it would be a lot more to afford. You can blame many of the current economic problems on the post WWII-baby boom.



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03 Oct 2016, 1:08 pm

Soulsparrer wrote:
As far as first world countries, in certain areas such as healthcare access it's lacking. But that's still a generalization, and you also have to take into account the entire economy rather than just "pointing fingers at the 1%" or whatever.

For example the population of the entire US is far bigger than many European countries with single-payer healthcare, and therefore it would be a lot more to afford. You can blame many of the current economic problems on the post WWII-baby boom.


Unless this means we can't get as much taxes, then this isn't true. There are plenty of ways of implementing this. Saying that there's an issue with a larger population is a cop out.


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03 Oct 2016, 1:12 pm

If a large population was the problem then why didn't anyone try to address it before with more modular government? As it is it's useless to lump the whole economy and assume that everyone has an average share of the pie, as clearly there are exploiters and the exploited.



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03 Oct 2016, 1:57 pm

beneficii wrote:
Soulsparrer wrote:
As far as first world countries, in certain areas such as healthcare access it's lacking. But that's still a generalization, and you also have to take into account the entire economy rather than just "pointing fingers at the 1%" or whatever.

For example the population of the entire US is far bigger than many European countries with single-payer healthcare, and therefore it would be a lot more to afford. You can blame many of the current economic problems on the post WWII-baby boom.


Unless this means we can't get as much taxes, then this isn't true. There are plenty of ways of implementing this. Saying that there's an issue with a larger population is a cop out.

Like what?



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03 Oct 2016, 2:38 pm

We're a great country with lots of faults.

We have many people desperately poor through no fault of their own.

We have a screwed-up health care system.

I've been to a few places. I still hanker to come back home, even if I really like the place where I've been.

If Trump gets elected, our greatness will fly out the window, from the standpoint of the international community. He is a laughingstock.



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03 Oct 2016, 2:59 pm

what will we do when we lose the last of our international good will? what will we do when we lose the last of our domestic good will?



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03 Oct 2016, 3:44 pm

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what will we do when we lose the last of our international good will? what will we do when we lose the last of our domestic good will?


as I understand geopolitics, there's no question of good will among nations. (With the exception of how some african countries like zimbabwe are currently allowing the chinese to neo-colonialize them, argueing that china has not been a colonizer before.)
I think it's the question of what the rest of the world can do.
and if there was anything the rest of the world could do, don't you think bush2 and his random invasions would have triggered that process? the germans and the french said: we're not going to join, and then they sent technicians and stuff, telling their own people: we said we're not going to join the fighting.

the domestic goodwill is far more interesting for you guys.


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03 Oct 2016, 3:58 pm

shlaifu wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what will we do when we lose the last of our international good will? what will we do when we lose the last of our domestic good will?


as I understand geopolitics, there's no question of good will among nations. (With the exception of how some african countries like zimbabwe are currently allowing the chinese to neo-colonialize them, argueing that china has not been a colonizer before.)
I think it's the question of what the rest of the world can do.
and if there was anything the rest of the world could do, don't you think bush2 and his random invasions would have triggered that process? the germans and the french said: we're not going to join, and then they sent technicians and stuff, telling their own people: we said we're not going to join the fighting.

the domestic goodwill is far more interesting for you guys.

domestic goodwill is more and more degenerating into scorpions in a bottle that are being pit against one another by nefarious puppetmasters behind the curtain.



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03 Oct 2016, 4:06 pm

auntblabby wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
what will we do when we lose the last of our international good will? what will we do when we lose the last of our domestic good will?


as I understand geopolitics, there's no question of good will among nations. (With the exception of how some african countries like zimbabwe are currently allowing the chinese to neo-colonialize them, argueing that china has not been a colonizer before.)
I think it's the question of what the rest of the world can do.
and if there was anything the rest of the world could do, don't you think bush2 and his random invasions would have triggered that process? the germans and the french said: we're not going to join, and then they sent technicians and stuff, telling their own people: we said we're not going to join the fighting.

the domestic goodwill is far more interesting for you guys.

domestic goodwill is more and more degenerating into scorpions in a bottle that are being pit against one another by nefarious puppetmasters behind the curtain.


dam dam damm damm dam dam damm dam dam.... (spock v. kirk duelling music)


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03 Oct 2016, 7:17 pm

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In nearly every measure we're surpassed by other countries.


What seems accurate is you cannot trade one country for another or reason with something that isn't going to work.
If you've surpassed one craphole you'll have nearly survived it and if you can lather on free spiel, then you can be the next president. I mean, how many Abrahams does it take to make a great P.M, and how many home secretaries do you need to surpass government blunders. Just one. So really, it's pointless locating an answer to a simple maths equation whereby it takes just one woman to hold onto all the Aces, until one falls out of the pack and ouch, Jack 'll get spurned.
The rest of Europe will follow our lead, whereas the rest of the globe will have bigger problems than just a few Russian Nazi's creating a new revolution. Japan might engage in a nuclear strike to foil out China and Russia and the U.S may keep on bombing innocent civilians until the last drop of blood has been shed.
I think two of the worlds super powers should stop bargaining lives for the status they've lost out on when peace actually stood for something. Aid workers need all the support they can get right now, I just hope that the situation in Aleppo is going to turn around and not into a cyber theme hospital that disproportionates staff casualties as well as patients. How many failed seize fires can one country take? They've already lost everything and everyone.
You can't trust a political leader or anyone to make a sound judgement unless, they've fought for something that makes all the difference to a regular person, going about doing regular things.
The past is the past, but don't land yourselves in deep trenches with someone who could potentially turn the syrian crisis into a legal killing spree, not just a tactical past time for the war on masses.



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03 Oct 2016, 7:33 pm

It supposedly used to require an entire, Medieval village, to support one knight, financially.

Having seen some abuses, personally, and trying to explain them to people, I am of the opinion that both sides of this discussion are somewhat oblivious.

The dregs are given false hope, and the privileged are told that no such injustice exists, in the modern day.

You could think of other, high cultures as a sort of parallel universe, in which only a trivial detail has changed. If it has happened, then, some analogous abuse is happening, right now, probably right outside your front door. Only the words have changed, over time, or the uniform.