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27 Feb 2018, 1:20 pm

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I was referring to those f*cking a$$holes who accuse mass shooting survivors of being crisis actors, and who say the dead never existed. If that's not you, then you have no reason to take offense.
Being that I don't care to deal with the mods anymore, I'd prefer to keep my distance from you, and for you to keep your distance from me. That way the mods won't be a headache for either of us.

But you didn’t say thst you said anyone who owns lots of guns that hold ammo are compensating for small penis. Which describes me as I own guns and they hold lots of ammo.

The kids who survived this one are being giving scripts by cnn. I haven’t watched it but that’s what everyone says and you can tell when they go off script and say something stupid then cnn tried to usher them away.
I don’t watch news, but I can believe cnn. Would put this kids in air and give the, a script to read from. 14 olds don’t know anything about politics or laws. It’s funnu seeing them think they can decide what 19/20 olds can own by saying their not old enough to understand to be able to own things, but theses 14 year olds are older enough to understand? Lol

No doubt the shooting happen, no doubt either the anti gunners use the victims to push their agenda by feeding them scripts either. It’s sick and disturbing, but the anti gun politicians and CNN don’t care about the victims, they get all excited anytime one of these shootings happen so they can push their agenda that they themselves admit won’t stop these shootings. Mean really if they say it won’t do a single thing to stop s single mass shooting, then what’s their real reason for pushing it??

If it was a company doing this you’d be all against it saying they pushing to make profits, but you don’t question politicians from your side saying their bills won’t stop shootings but do it anyways? Or put it this way , what if republicans wanted to ban black people from owning guns to stop gang crime then say well yeah banning blacks won’t stop gang crime but kept pushing to ban blacks., you’d be all up and arms.

I like you but your very tout the party line no matter what, which upsets me.



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27 Feb 2018, 1:27 pm

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They lie about guns and gun control every single day constantly. If they lie about that they lie about anything else to fit their egenda.

It's also their distasteful opportunistic way of exploiting the emotional shockwave after each shooting. People's resistance is down so anything you slide in front of them as a solution they'll be more likely to bite on.....for a while.
But what do I know? I'm just a gun fetish-ist...


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27 Feb 2018, 1:37 pm

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Well... even if the 2nd Amendment was revoked, there's still literally millions of guns in America. So lotsa luck with that.
As for the notion that the right to bear arms is the only thing stopping America from being taken over by tyranny: that's a load of crap. It's a free press that defends our liberties. President Cheeto, with all his attacks on the mainstream media, is more a threat to American liberty than anyone with the impossible dream of banning all firearms.


the purpose of the second amendment is to protect the first amendment. free press doesn't protect our liberties, they inform us on current issues so that we can make educated votes, but these days they're biased, and have their own agendas. yellow journalism is how things are these days.


I strenuously disagree. You can have all the guns in the world, but if the government can silence the truth and make you believe what they want you to believe, you might end up being persuaded to turn those guns on those who are trying to speak the truth. Yellow journalism, or "fake news," whether it's coming from Fox, or Infowars, or Breitbart can never subvert the truth as long as there is a responsible media in existence. The rise of totalitarianism has never come with seizing guns, but with smashing the printing press, and the jailing of reporters and editors. That's what makes Trump's attacks on legitimate media so unsettling.


which news outlets is he attacking specifically? I thought he was just going after the alphabet channels.


Yeah, the ones who actually don't exist to tell him what he wants to hear. Specifically CNN and MSNBC.

They exist to say whatever Democrats like obama want to hear. I don’t like or trust the liars that are cnn, MSNBC, and abc. CNN is the worst of the worst.


I've never heard them tell deliberate untruths, as opposed to instances such as:

Infowars - That school shootings are false flag operations, complete with crisis actors crying for non-existent children.
Breitbart - The Obama was spying on Trump Tower.
Fox - That Muslim Americans are potential terrorists, but white supremacists are not.

These are only a few examples.


They lie about guns and gun control every single day constantly. If they lie about that they lie about anything else to fit their egenda.
Would you trust a guy who lies every day at work to trick people into buying stuff? I wouldn’t.


While they are without a doubt favoring the gun control side of the argument, how exactly are they lying?
As for trusting someone who lies to get you to buy stuff, many would say that's a perfect description of the NRA. I don't believe every NRA member is a dick by a long shot, but I do believe the leadership is in the pocket of gun and ammo manufacturers, and want to see as much of their product sold as humanly possible.


Let’s see they lie about how many mass shootings there’s been, they lie about how many ,ass shootings used ar15, they lie about defense cases, they lie about the functionality of guns(putting a scope on a gun doesn’t make it fully automatic, neither does a bumpstock.) they lie about gun owners supporting banning guns, they lie about what ar15 means, they lie and say a shooting used a ar15 when it didn’t and in one case they made up a word “ar15shotgun” they lie statistics. They lie about what’s in the laws even getting caught on air which was funny. I could go on there’s so many lies.

The nra isn’t liked by gun owners right now as they push gun control then ask for money to fight it after. But does the nra lie, no they don’t even deny their push for gun control they just try to hide it. They profit off the gun control push, but they don’t lie. They aren’t pro 2A or pro gun. They pro profit like any other rich ceo.
Sure they’re in the pocket of the gun manufacturers, is that why they pushing to ban the stuff and guns those manufacturers make thus putting them out of business? No their money comes from the membership. Banning rat increases devices, simi auto guns and banned full autos hurt manufacturers. Most guns sold today are simiauto guns, most the profit side if the gun world is accessories both of which the nra is pushing to ban. If it happens it’ll kill the gun manufacturers besides ruger, and s&w. Everyone else relies simi auto guns. Glock for example only makes simi auto handguns, that’s it that’s all they make, and their main market is the USA, beretta will survive maybe thru their expensive bolt guns and Italian military contracts, but they take a huge hit as they sell lots of simi auto rifles and handguns, colt will close, Remington who owns most American gun manufacturers just did bankruptcy they won’t survive losing the majority of their sales.
There’s others, simi auto guns are the biggest selling guns and most commonly used popular guns today. The nra will profit, their beg their members for more money, the manufacturers will just crumble and close. As is many are facing low sales. Many have large stocks of simi auto guns, if banned they have to destroy them and take a huge loss that many won’t recover from. As is many are selling st some loss, but a total loss on tens of thousands of guns. Hundreds of millions of dollars. Then there’s thengun stores and outdoor stores who’ll also face huge losses. Big part of outdoor stores is gun and gun accessories sales.

So no the nra is not working in he best interest of gun manufacturers or gun owners,they working in the best interests of Wayne and Chris.



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27 Feb 2018, 1:40 pm

^ gun sales are way down since Obama left and Trump came in.
The NRA is pro 2a but they have other agendas on thier plate as well.
GOA is more straight up in their approach but not nearly as large and powerful as the NRA. In this case size does matter.


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27 Feb 2018, 1:42 pm

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They lie about guns and gun control every single day constantly. If they lie about that they lie about anything else to fit their egenda.

It's also their distasteful opportunistic way of exploiting the emotional shockwave after each shooting. People's resistance is down so anything you slide in front of them as a solution they'll be more likely to bite on.....for a while.
But what do I know? I'm just a gun fetish-ist...

No doubt. Right after a shooting people are emotional and support gun bans as time goes by it goes back to normal and people don’t support gun bans. Imagine how pissed those people would be after they cal, down but oh no that ban they don’t support anymore got passed. Some democrats have spoken about how they use these shootings politicial means openly.

Mean nazis used such events to get people to support them becoming the sole leader, they used them to get people to support all kinds of laws. It’s a solid strategy, it’s how we got the horrible patriot act after 9/11 if they’d waited few months we thenpeople would been hell no ournprivacy and rights, but right after we were like freak yeah anything to get these bastards.

Since your here how do you feel about the nra yet again pushing gun control and betraying gun owners?
I don’t support them never did, I may join the gun owners of America though.
Right now MAC has a offer where if you buy anything from his store they buy you a GOA membership.



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27 Feb 2018, 1:45 pm

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^ gun sales are way down since Obama left and Trump came in.

Yeah cause it’s returned to it’s normal level. Well it was. Don’t get me wrong my stores gun sales have remained busy through or atleast it’s mostky always busy back there. I dont know about actually sales not my department.

Panic buying can’t keep up forever. We back to pre Obama gun sales ie normal.

I haven’t bought a gun in two years.



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27 Feb 2018, 2:10 pm

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Since your here how do you feel about the nra yet again pushing gun control and betraying gun owners?
I don’t support them never did, I may join the gun owners of America though.
Right now MAC has a offer where if you buy anything from his store they buy you a GOA membership.


Is is the bump stock thing? I'm an NRA member (all us gun fetish-ists are, ya know) but I don't follow them closely. I do know that they have a very long history of compromise (which I hate) and have at times been dubbed Negotiate Rights Away buy some disgruntled members.

I have to be an NRA member because my NRA affiliated gun club requires it (they do verify it annually) and also for my range officer rating.

The long and short if it is that the NRA, with all it's faults, is still top dog in the gun lobby and the much smaller GOA is not. In this arena size does matter.


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27 Feb 2018, 2:15 pm

I should also point out that gun control laws have thier roots in the Jim Crow laws intended to deny constitutional rights to blacks.
To simplify: Gun control = Racism


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27 Feb 2018, 3:10 pm

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Since your here how do you feel about the nra yet again pushing gun control and betraying gun owners?
I don’t support them never did, I may join the gun owners of America though.
Right now MAC has a offer where if you buy anything from his store they buy you a GOA membership.


Is is the bump stock thing? I'm an NRA member (all us gun fetish-ists are, ya know) but I don't follow them closely. I do know that they have a very long history of compromise (which I hate) and have at times been dubbed Negotiate Rights Away buy some disgruntled members.

I have to be an NRA member because my NRA affiliated gun club requires it (they do verify it annually) and also for my range officer rating.

The long and short if it is that the NRA, with all it's faults, is still top dog in the gun lobby and the much smaller GOA is not. In this arena size does matter.


They aren’t saying ban bump stocks. They saying ban anything thst can increase the rate of fire or a gun. So pistol grips, triggers, hand guards. Magazines, etc. anything that can be seen as increasing the rate of fire of a gun they want banned. They don’t think we should have machine guns either so their promise to fight the machine gun ban was a lie. They are also pushing nics fix bill in all it’s horribleness. They don’t support concealed carry reciprocity or relaxing silencers. They litterally don’t support gun owners at all.

Last I checked goa is getting close to nra membership numbers and anti gun politicians hate them more cause as they say the goa won’t compromise but the nra will.

The nra needs to die and close it’s doors. Or kick Wayne and Chris out and refuse to run s profit ie, no paying huge salaries to their employees.



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27 Feb 2018, 3:31 pm

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I was referring to those f*cking a$$holes who accuse mass shooting survivors of being crisis actors, and who say the dead never existed. If that's not you, then you have no reason to take offense.
Being that I don't care to deal with the mods anymore, I'd prefer to keep my distance from you, and for you to keep your distance from me. That way the mods won't be a headache for either of us.

But you didn’t say thst you said anyone who owns lots of guns that hold ammo are compensating for small penis. Which describes me as I own guns and they hold lots of ammo.

The kids who survived this one are being giving scripts by cnn. I haven’t watched it but that’s what everyone says and you can tell when they go off script and say something stupid then cnn tried to usher them away.
I don’t watch news, but I can believe cnn. Would put this kids in air and give the, a script to read from. 14 olds don’t know anything about politics or laws. It’s funnu seeing them think they can decide what 19/20 olds can own by saying their not old enough to understand to be able to own things, but theses 14 year olds are older enough to understand? Lol

No doubt the shooting happen, no doubt either the anti gunners use the victims to push their agenda by feeding them scripts either. It’s sick and disturbing, but the anti gun politicians and CNN don’t care about the victims, they get all excited anytime one of these shootings happen so they can push their agenda that they themselves admit won’t stop these shootings. Mean really if they say it won’t do a single thing to stop s single mass shooting, then what’s their real reason for pushing it??

If it was a company doing this you’d be all against it saying they pushing to make profits, but you don’t question politicians from your side saying their bills won’t stop shootings but do it anyways? Or put it this way , what if republicans wanted to ban black people from owning guns to stop gang crime then say well yeah banning blacks won’t stop gang crime but kept pushing to ban blacks., you’d be all up and arms.

I like you but your very tout the party line no matter what, which upsets me.


Okay, I will concede having lots of guns is not a bad thing, if you handle them in a safe, sane manner.
I don't tout the party line. My very first post on this thread was about how repealing the 2nd amendment would be an abject failure, as there are literally millions of guns in America.
Incidentally, it's not CNN or MSNBC who constantly denigrate poor people on public assistance as leeches and parasites, or who say the American poor really aren't "poor." That would be Fox and those other bastards. Those conservative fake news sites also are openly homophobic, Islamophobic, and have little problem with promoting racist politicians and so called journalists. I admittedly don't keep up with gun issues, as I have little interest in any of it, save to say I would prefer not to be shot, and definitely don't want my loved ones shot. It's all these other issues that make me despise right wing fake news.


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27 Feb 2018, 3:40 pm

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Since your here how do you feel about the nra yet again pushing gun control and betraying gun owners?
I don’t support them never did, I may join the gun owners of America though.
Right now MAC has a offer where if you buy anything from his store they buy you a GOA membership.


Is is the bump stock thing? I'm an NRA member (all us gun fetish-ists are, ya know) but I don't follow them closely. I do know that they have a very long history of compromise (which I hate) and have at times been dubbed Negotiate Rights Away buy some disgruntled members.

I have to be an NRA member because my NRA affiliated gun club requires it (they do verify it annually) and also for my range officer rating.

The long and short if it is that the NRA, with all it's faults, is still top dog in the gun lobby and the much smaller GOA is not. In this arena size does matter.


They aren’t saying ban bump stocks. They saying ban anything thst can increase the rate of fire or a gun. So pistol grips, triggers, hand guards. Magazines, etc. anything that can be seen as increasing the rate of fire of a gun they want banned. They don’t think we should have machine guns either so their promise to fight the machine gun ban was a lie. They are also pushing nics fix bill in all it’s horribleness. They don’t support concealed carry reciprocity or relaxing silencers. They litterally don’t support gun owners at all.

Last I checked goa is getting close to nra membership numbers and anti gun politicians hate them more cause as they say the goa won’t compromise but the nra will.

The nra needs to die and close it’s doors. Or kick Wayne and Chris out and refuse to run s profit ie, no paying huge salaries to their employees.

Ill look into it later...


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27 Feb 2018, 5:52 pm

So 150 house democrats are pushing a bill to ban simi auto guns that can take a magizane of 10 or more rounds or hold 10 or more rounds. So all simi auto guns basically.



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27 Feb 2018, 5:55 pm

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So 150 house democrats are pushing a bill to ban simi auto guns that can take a magizane of 10 or more rounds or hold 10 or more rounds. So all simi auto guns basically.

Leaving 285 members to oppose the bill? :lol:


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27 Feb 2018, 6:19 pm

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If we do abolish the Second Amendment, we still need to remember the motivations behind the shooters.

If people are flipping out and committing mass murder, this must mean that many people are being denied proper mental health treatments. Clearly, some people are in psychological agony.

If we take away the guns, these people will continue to suffer alone.

That's the real issue which needs to be addressed. American capitalism is the problem, since it denies people proper healthcare. The system also promotes extreme cynicism and emotional alienation. When people see the US military killing innocent civilians on TV, they often decide that human life, in general, has no value.


Oh so you want to reward these murderers by giving them free mental healthcare? That sounds like forced redistribution of wealth. Perhaps you prefer a hammer and sickle to a hamburger comrade.

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27 Feb 2018, 6:35 pm

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So 150 house democrats are pushing a bill to ban simi auto guns that can take a magizane of 10 or more rounds or hold 10 or more rounds. So all simi auto guns basically.


No surprises there.
Just liberals doing what liberals do best; restricting freedom.


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27 Feb 2018, 7:35 pm

Yeah, why can't they be like conservatives! Conservatives never restrict anyone's freedom.


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