Why Men's Issues Matter
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you Fnord, very good points you've raised in this thread.
I've thought alot about most of them myself too, from my own reference, but also watching other men, and of course my dad getting absoulutely crushed to pieces in divorce.
These issues have angered me alot throughout my life, but even though it was very clear to me, as I'm not a dumb guy, at some point, I've started to accept that these things will never ever change. The people in this thread who honestly think the perception of men in society will change, if men open up an become more emotional?...I don't know what you guys are smoking. You probably don't have the experience of being a man, so this might seem like a convincing and logical arguement to you. Most of my guy friends and I, have absolutely no problem opening up or being emotional when there's only men around.
Men are human doings. Society doesn't care about you, because you're supposed to just be strong. This only applies if you are in fact, strong. If you're a weak man, you're either completely invisible or looked down upon, especially by women I might add. There's no group that society has less sympathy for, than weak men.
I've seen both sides of this myself. Coming from a broken home and being a relative failure, to now being in the upper quartile of students at medical school. From being completely invisible to now getting sympathy I don't really need anymore, it's hard not become resentful about it. It's women in particular who have made a 180 on me in this regard.
See, I didn't ever get sympathy by opening up, being emotional or adopting feminine characteristics, I got it by fulfilling my duty as a human doing, that can potentially provide a bunch of resources for a hypothetical family.
Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues.
I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
I've thought alot about most of them myself too, from my own reference, but also watching other men, and of course my dad getting absoulutely crushed to pieces in divorce.
These issues have angered me alot throughout my life, but even though it was very clear to me, as I'm not a dumb guy, at some point, I've started to accept that these things will never ever change. The people in this thread who honestly think the perception of men in society will change, if men open up an become more emotional?...I don't know what you guys are smoking. You probably don't have the experience of being a man, so this might seem like a convincing and logical arguement to you. Most of my guy friends and I, have absolutely no problem opening up or being emotional when there's only men around.
Men are human doings. Society doesn't care about you, because you're supposed to just be strong. This only applies if you are in fact, strong. If you're a weak man, you're either completely invisible or looked down upon, especially by women I might add. There's no group that society has less sympathy for, than weak men.
I've seen both sides of this myself. Coming from a broken home and being a relative failure, to now being in the upper quartile of students at medical school. From being completely invisible to now getting sympathy I don't really need anymore, it's hard not become resentful about it. It's women in particular who have made a 180 on me in this regard.
See, I didn't ever get sympathy by opening up, being emotional or adopting feminine characteristics, I got it by fulfilling my duty as a human doing, that can potentially provide a bunch of resources for a hypothetical family.
Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues.
I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
Women have never cared about men? That’s simply untrue. I am a woman who cares about men and men’s issues.
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Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
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Closet Genious wrote:
I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
the world is only pushed forward because people care enough about issues that they take them on and campaign to change things.
Your surrounding world is only as it is because people have cared so much in the past to make them how they are so we benefit from them.
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
I am perfectly aware thank you, but it is not possible to edit my username on this site.
Yes, they care about succesful men, like I said. It has nothing to do with me being nice or caring or not.
Closet Genious wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
I am perfectly aware thank you, but it is not possible to edit my username on this site.
Yes, they care about succesful men, like I said. It has nothing to do with me being nice or caring or not.
That is not correct, success is one of many factors that can make a woman like you or care about you. This is a serious thread so please don't turn it into lame incel whining.
Peacesells wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
I am perfectly aware thank you, but it is not possible to edit my username on this site.
Yes, they care about succesful men, like I said. It has nothing to do with me being nice or caring or not.
That is not correct, success is one of many factors that can make a woman like you or care about you. This is a serious thread so please don't turn it into lame incel whining.
I am not an incel, thank you very much.
My point was actually a serious one. My point was that men need to become succesful for society to have sympathy for them, which seems to me to be somewhat more factual than: "men need to be more emotional and adobt feminine traits, and society will suddenly start sympathizing". That's a ridiculous point if I've ever heard one.
Men's issues do matter. The issue is you're framing this conversation from a negative anti-woman POV.
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
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Closet Genious wrote:
I am not an incel, thank you very much.
My point was actually a serious one. My point was that men need to become succesful for society to have sympathy for them, which seems to me to be somewhat more factual than: "men need to be more emotional and adobt feminine traits, and society will suddenly start sympathizing". That's a ridiculous point if I've ever heard one.
My point was actually a serious one. My point was that men need to become succesful for society to have sympathy for them, which seems to me to be somewhat more factual than: "men need to be more emotional and adobt feminine traits, and society will suddenly start sympathizing". That's a ridiculous point if I've ever heard one.
I don't care if you are one or not, I only pointed out that this is not the place for incel-like whinings like yours.
There's nothing serious about your point and I would hardly call it a point at all, lame generalization is better.
Now you say society, before you said women, haha! Besides who said that men need to acquire feminine traits to be loved by society and this thread's purpose is not to give you dating advices.
By ranting like this you attack women and make men look bad.
Look, now they want to close a thread about men's issues because of what you say.
alex wrote:
Men's issues do matter. The issue is you're framing this conversation from a negative anti-woman POV.
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
Can't you keep him from posting here instead of closing the whole thread, please? It seems unnecessary.
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
*Sigh*
And this thread was actually going quite well before the, "Womenz iz awwfuul!" whinging started.
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Let's all get back to discussing men's issues instead of bashing the opposite sex.
Thanks.
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XFilesGeek wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
*Sigh*
And this thread was actually going quite well before the, "Womenz iz awwfuul!" whinging started.
[MOD]
Let's all get back to discussing men's issues instead of bashing the opposite sex.
Thanks.
[/MOD]
I’m wondering if this important topic would go better if we narrowed in on a couple of specific issues. Most of the trouble seems to happen when we make large generalizations without getting more specific.
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alex wrote:
Men's issues do matter. The issue is you're framing this conversation from a negative anti-woman POV.
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
Will you also put a stop to women framing the conversation from a anti-man POV? Or is it just going be against men and let feminist do as they please?
I and others including few women have seen this forum going feminism biased for while now and it seems now your just filling supporting feminist only side.
Saying women have right to fear all men cause women get raped more is anti man.
Say it’s sexist tonhave air conditioning on cause women get cold is antiman(men get warm, so not having it on hurts men. Gender differences I guess.)
It’s been suggest men should go to other autism forums. Do you want wrong planet to just be women and feminist? From a pure business side, wrong planets customers like dating sites is mostly men. If all the men leave, less advertisements are seen, advertising gets pulled. I’d like to stay here but it seems the policy’s are being changed to silence and force men off wrongplant. I’ll be looking at other autism forums that hopefully don’t habe a extremely feminist bias. All the mods here are feminist? There’s no balance. Mods are like the Supreme Court of wrongplant. Would you want a all feminist or all conservative Supreme Court? How could such a Court be balanced and fair? How can a all feminist mod team be balanced and fair?
I’ve been here for a long time and I’m constantly worried I’ll be banned last year or so. I worry anything I say will be taken wrong by feminist and I’ll be banned. Yet I see women post things that’d get me warned and it’s ok. It’s not ok to say women, or most women, or lot of women think or do this(even if it’s true) but it’s fine to say men, most men, a lot of men do/think something. It’s fine for feminist to post studies about how horrible men are , but nit ok for men to post any studies even from the federal government or United Nations that may have anything bad to say about women or contradict feminist “studies”
Even if it’s the people who did the feminist studies posted saying that’s not what they mean and that yes their study was bit biased.
Your policies and mods leaves me unable to express my personal struggles and experiences as a weak autistic male cause such experiences go against the dream world of feminism extremists. Is that what you want? For male aspies to feel invalidated for them to feel their experiences are false and lies that they’re just crazy?
Twilightprincess wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
*Sigh*
And this thread was actually going quite well before the, "Womenz iz awwfuul!" whinging started.
[MOD]
Let's all get back to discussing men's issues instead of bashing the opposite sex.
Thanks.
[/MOD]
I’m wondering if this important topic would go better if we narrowed in on a couple of specific issues. Most of the trouble seems to happen when we make large generalizations without getting more specific.
Do you place any blame of toxic masculinity on women? Or do you also think it’s totally a male fault and men make women support it?
Depending on how you answer will change if I like you anymore.
sly279 wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Closet Genious wrote:
I love you, Fnord ... Women have never cared about men, so I couldn't care less about women's issues. I don't really care about men's issues either, because it's a hopeless game you'd have to be an idiot to believe in.
So I'm an idiot, huh? So much for your "love" -- you can keep it and shove it into a place that never sees the Sun.Women DO care about men -- each one for different reasons. Maybe they don't care about YOUR issues, and maybe because you don't care about theirs.
And by the way ... that's not how "Genius" is spelled ...
*Sigh*
And this thread was actually going quite well before the, "Womenz iz awwfuul!" whinging started.
[MOD]
Let's all get back to discussing men's issues instead of bashing the opposite sex.
Thanks.
[/MOD]
I’m wondering if this important topic would go better if we narrowed in on a couple of specific issues. Most of the trouble seems to happen when we make large generalizations without getting more specific.
Do you place any blame of toxic masculinity on women? Or do you also think it’s totally a male fault and men make women support it?
Depending on how you answer will change if I like you anymore.
I wouldn’t want someone to dislike me...
I think society puts a lot of pressure on men and women to fill certain roles - to be “masculine” or “feminine.” A lot of these notions are outdated, unhealthy, and need to be changed.
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