Are there any post coup attempt EX-trump supporters here?
13 Jan 2021, 9:35 pm
roronoa79 wrote:
edit: Here is a link to the full speech transcript
Getting through that whole speech from start to finish sure was a chore. Most of the length came from extended rambling about fraud numbers which he seems to have pulled out of the air. These seem to be the most salient parts to me:
(Jiheisho did we just slog through that whole speech at the same time?)
Getting through that whole speech from start to finish sure was a chore. Most of the length came from extended rambling about fraud numbers which he seems to have pulled out of the air. These seem to be the most salient parts to me:
(Jiheisho did we just slog through that whole speech at the same time?)
Thank you for your interpretation of his words - I'll have a look over the full transcript when I get a chance, in order to get an objective overview of what he stated, given that it is possible (whether intentional or not) that the selected excerpts may not provide all the required details. Also, the interpretation of his words by someone opposed to him would likely be different to that of a supporter, given each would place different emphasis or meaning on different sections or phrases - Someone opposed to the speaker would look to make it appear as negative as possible, for example.
With that said, a couple of things did pop out from what you provided (I don't have time right now to look at\address them all):
roronoa79 wrote:
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We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
What does 'cheer on' mean exactly in a world where this isn't incitement? Is he suggesting they surround the capitol and shout and threaten congress to doing what they want? That's about the most generous interpretation I can give for the other side and it's not great. What happens if congress didn't listen to their 'cheer's? Trump would just tell them to call it a day?
Instead of trying to decypher 2 words "cheer on" and place meaning on them absent of their context, the statement he made was:
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we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness.
Looked at in their original context, from his (and his supporters) view, the "brave senators, and congressmen and women" (who they were to cheer) would be the ones who supported his efforts. He also said they wouldn't be cheering much for some of them because they were week (which from their point of view would be those who didn't support him).
As a result (and as can be determined by simply reading what is said), he was asking them to cheer those who suported him, not those who didn't, whereas your interpretation appears to be an inversion of what he said, as the "threatening" you claim this "cheering" endorses would be aimed at those he has said they wouldn't be cheering much.
Or, considered in a way that may assist in understanding: We're going there to cheer our "team".
roronoa79 wrote:
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You will have a president who lost all of these states, or you will have a president to put it another way, who was voted on by a bunch of stupid people who lost all of these things. You will have an illegitimate president, that’s what you’ll have. And we can’t let that happen. These are the facts that you won’t hear from the fake news media. It’s all part of the suppression effort. They don’t want to talk about it.
Painting the incoming president as illegitimate with lies and falsehoods to an angry crowd is the work of either an inciter or a complete imbecile. Despite what seem to be his best efforts, Trump is not that much of an imbecile.
Given that for most of the past 4 years Mr Trump was being painted as an "illegitimate" President, based on demonstrated false claims (such as Russian collusion), why should he be precluded from making similar claims about his successor being illegitimate, particualrly as his claims used to support this assertion have not been proven to be false?
Had a court looked at his claims based on the evidence he supplied and found them lacking, this would have greatly lessened his ability to rely on them, but instead the courts dismissed the cases before the pont at which evidence could be introduced (laches, standing, etc.), which is probably going to result in these claims continuing (either from Mr Trump, from his supporters, or from those opposed to Mr Biden) either until proven false in court, or until the next election...
roronoa79 wrote:
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We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period. We’ve set it on a much straighter course, a much … I thought four more years. I thought it would be easy. We created …
This is going to be the part that the apologists will cling to for dear life. This one word "peacefully" is going to be the rock the Trumpsters will fight and die on.
So, you think he intended "peacefully" to be interpretted much like it was used in claims around the "mostly peaceful protests" last year?
13 Jan 2021, 11:13 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Everyone who stormed the capitol building is a criminal. (That’s what you are when you commit crimes.) Just ask the FBI - who said so - and is laying criminal charges one by one as these criminals are identified.
When did I ever disagree with that? I even said (as you re-quoted) "I think what Steve D'antuono [of the FBI] is saying is perfectly reasonable, those folks were criminals."
goldfish21 wrote:
This entire post is insane.
Your TD bank robber analogy is difficult to follow and thus doesn’t make sense.
Your TD bank robber analogy is difficult to follow and thus doesn’t make sense.
You used the bank robbing analogy first. Bank robbers, like the people who broke into the US Capitol, are criminals. Absolutely. But to say bank robbers at ONE bank are going to take over the entire TD Bank institution is absurd. To say the criminals who broke into the Capitol could take over the entire US government is equally absurd.
Some guy in furs and a viking helmet is stealing a podium at the US Capitol...okay, the Supreme Court, the IRS, all branches of the military and every federal agency across the country will now automatically take directives from him? They're criminals, yes, but people pretending the whole government was actually under threat of being usurped by some hooligans are being dramatic.
Calling it a "coup" is extreme. Your buddy Colbert is saying anyone, anywhere who ever supported Trump in any way at any time is equally culpable of this "coup." That's like saying anyone who criticizes TD Bank's overdraft policy is sympathetic toward and equally complicit with bank robbers.
Now, as far as DC itself goes, not everyone who was there that day in support of Trump stormed the Capitol. Many didn't even go to the Capitol. I respect their right to peacefully assemble without breaking the law (same with BLM or Stonewall, or what have you). It seems like people are saying, "Since I don't like their politics, then EVERYONE who assembled is guilty of breaking into the Capitol!" Extreme.
13 Jan 2021, 11:23 pm
Mona Pereth wrote:
No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.
Pure horses**t (or just ignorance)!
It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.
My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??
Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)
13 Jan 2021, 11:32 pm
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.
Pure horses**t (or just ignorance)!
It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.
My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??
Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)
That is not what the State of New Jersey says. From their website:
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A voter may vote by mail by completing the Application for Vote by Mail Ballot (listed below) and returning the application to their County Clerk.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
Source: State of New Jersey Vote by Mail
13 Jan 2021, 11:55 pm
Jiheisho wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.
Pure horses**t (or just ignorance)!
It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.
My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??
Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)
That is not what the State of New Jersey says. From their website:
Quote:
A voter may vote by mail by completing the Application for Vote by Mail Ballot (listed below) and returning the application to their County Clerk.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
Source: State of New Jersey Vote by Mail
I think you missed a minor detail...From your link:
Quote:
How do I receive my vote by mail ballot?
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Followed by:
Quote:
Deadline to apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail?
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
It appears that the portion you selectively quoted was not updated following:
Quote:
New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/nj-sending-mail-in-ballots-statewide-in-2020-election-despite-trumps-attacks.htm
The requirement to apply was for those who did not receive a ballot, which would be those who recently changed address\moved there\reached voting age.
14 Jan 2021, 12:06 am
Brictoria wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.
Pure horseshít (or just ignorance)!
It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.
My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??
Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)
That is not what the State of New Jersey says. From their website:
Quote:
A voter may vote by mail by completing the Application for Vote by Mail Ballot (listed below) and returning the application to their County Clerk.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
Source: State of New Jersey Vote by Mail
I think you missed a minor detail...From your link:
Quote:
How do I receive my vote by mail ballot?
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Followed by:
Quote:
Deadline to apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail?
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
It appears that the portion you selectively quoted was not updated following:
Quote:
New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/nj-sending-mail-in-ballots-statewide-in-2020-election-despite-trumps-attacks.htm
The requirement to apply was for those who did not receive a ballot, which would be those who recently changed address\moved there\reached voting age.
Right, people who have registered to vote by mail and their registration is still active will receive a mail-in ballot. If you have not registered to vote by mail will not get a ballot. Nothing strange about that. The mail-in ballots seem similar to other States I have lived in. Sorry, but no conspiracy here.
As far as your link to the other article, well it is broken. I cannot comment on a piece I cannot read.
14 Jan 2021, 12:28 am
Jiheisho wrote:
Right, people who have registered to vote by mail and their registration is still active will receive a mail-in ballot. If you have not registered to vote by mail will not get a ballot. Nothing strange about that. The mail-in ballots seem similar to other States I have lived in. Sorry, but no conspiracy here.
As far as your link to the other article, well it is broken. I cannot comment on a piece I cannot read.
As far as your link to the other article, well it is broken. I cannot comment on a piece I cannot read.
What the hell are you talking about? Conspiracy? Huh? And I didn't "miss" anything.
I live in New Jersey. I'm a registered voter. I've never requested an absentee ballot. I, like EVERY registered voter in the state, received an unsolicited ballot in the mail. The ballots could either be mailed back, deposited in drop-boxes, or handed in at polling locations. There was NO in-person voting. The polling stations were glorified mail depositories.
Please be aware that many institutions, public and private, made adjustments to their procedures but didn't necessarily update their websites. The DMV was closed for months, but the website still listed regular, pre-COVID hours for quite a while. The Grocery store still had its normal hours physically posted, despite closing earlier. Why are you quoting some webpage and implying I'm a liar. I'm telling you what happened in this state.
14 Jan 2021, 12:29 am
I know of no greater example of false equivalence than comparing the sacking of mini-malls to that of the U.S. capitol.
You can't be serious.
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14 Jan 2021, 12:29 am
Jiheisho wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
No, "unsolicited ballots" were not sent out en masse, just applications for absentee ballots.
Pure horseshít (or just ignorance)!
It varied state-to-state. Here in Jersey, ALL registered voters were sent ballots in the mail, whether requested or not. Whether they would have physically gone to the polls or not. Whether they checked their mailbox or not. That's never been done, sending out millions of unrequested absentee ballots, but that's what was done here in 2020. And they sent them out in September.
My sister, who's lived at her place for 10 years, received an additional ballot for some former resident she'd never heard of. She did the right thing and turned it in, but I wonder...was that lady issued 2 ballots (one for the old address, one for wherever she is now?) Did she request a second ballot, not knowing the first went to her old address from over 10 years ago? Is she still alive??
Just think how many others, less honest then my sister, could have used an extra ballot to their advantage (and not just with the presidential vote.)
That is not what the State of New Jersey says. From their website:
Quote:
A voter may vote by mail by completing the Application for Vote by Mail Ballot (listed below) and returning the application to their County Clerk.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
To receive your ballot by mail, the application must be received by the County Clerk 7 days prior to the election.
A voter may also apply in person to the County Clerk until 3:00 p.m., the day before the election.
The County Clerk cannot accept faxed or emailed copies of a Application for Vote by Mail Ballot, unless you are a Military or Overseas Voter, since an original signature is required.
Source: State of New Jersey Vote by Mail
I think you missed a minor detail...From your link:
Quote:
How do I receive my vote by mail ballot?
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Every Active registered voter will receive a ballot at the address the voter is registered.
You can check your registration status here. If you are not registered to vote, the registration deadline for this general election is October 13th, 2020. New Jersey now offers online voter registration here.
Followed by:
Quote:
Deadline to apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail?
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
All active registered voters will automatically receive a vote by mail ballot.
If you haven’t received your ballot in a timely matter, you can check the status online here or contact your county clerk here. If you haven’t received your ballot, you may apply for a vote by mail ballot by mail by Friday, October 23rd, 2020. Information on how to apply can be found here. Thereafter, you must get your vote by mail ballot in-person from your county clerk. If you pick up a vote by mail ballot on Election Day, you have until 8 pm to return it to the county Board of Elections or your polling place, or deposit it in one of your county’s secure ballot drop boxes.
It appears that the portion you selectively quoted was not updated following:
Quote:
New Jersey will send mail-in ballots to all registered voters for the 2020 presidential election while still offering the option for voters to cast their ballots in person, Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday.
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
"As it relates to mail-in ballots, the good news is in a general election, it doesn't matter what party you're in, everybody gets a ballot," Murphy announced in a CNN interview. "So we're going to have a hybrid model in November."
Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/14/nj-sending-mail-in-ballots-statewide-in-2020-election-despite-trumps-attacks.htm
The requirement to apply was for those who did not receive a ballot, which would be those who recently changed address\moved there\reached voting age.
Right, people who have registered to vote by mail and their registration is still active will receive a mail-in ballot. If you have not registered to vote by mail will not get a ballot. Nothing strange about that. The mail-in ballots seem similar to other States I have lived in. Sorry, but no conspiracy here.
As far as your link to the other article, well it is broken. I cannot comment on a piece I cannot read.
No, it was everybody who was registered to vote, not just those registered to "vote by mail".
Not sure why the link suddenly broke, but these explain the same details:
Quote:
New Jersey Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy said Friday that the state will use a hybrid voting model for November's election where all New Jersey residents will be mailed a ballot, and it will be up to them to decide if they would like to vote by mail or in person.
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/new-jersey-vote-by-mail-presidential-election/index.html
or
Quote:
The New Jersey Legislature on Thursday voted to make the state’s November election primarily vote-by-mail — a repeat of what Gov. Phil Murphy already mandated and a move meant to head off a challenge by President Donald Trump’s campaign.
...
Context: Murphy’s executive order requires that all active registered voters in the state be sent mail-in ballots, similar to what was done for the July 7 primary.
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Context: Murphy’s executive order requires that all active registered voters in the state be sent mail-in ballots, similar to what was done for the July 7 primary.
Source: https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/08/27/new-jersey-legislature-passes-vote-by-mail-bill-to-undermine-trump-lawsuit-1313141
These were simply a sample of the results for searching (DDG or google) for "new jersey vote by mail" so I'm not sure why you weren't able to find this out before posting claims which were so easily disproven?
14 Jan 2021, 12:39 am
Brictoria wrote:
No, it was everybody who was registered to vote, not just those registered to "vote by mail".
That's absolutely correct and how it happened for the 2020 election in New Jersey, yes. I don't understand Jiheisho's bizarre reply either.
EDIT: And to clarify, in this state for 2020, there was no need for anyone to request a ballot. ALL registered voters were sent ballots.
Last edited by ezbzbfcg2 on 14 Jan 2021, 12:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
14 Jan 2021, 12:42 am
I see two kinds of people here, those of you hung up on technicalities all of a sudden & those acknowledging what's been happening.
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14 Jan 2021, 1:21 am
Trump Defense Squad is still banging the "Votur Frawd" drum ,eh?
Must be some damn good kool-aid.
I'm sure squawking about "votur frawd" is preferable to trying to defend the traitorous riot that some people were smugly and wrongly claiming wouldn't happen, but then did...
As for "Vootur Freaud!"...
We have lists of the population of an area.
We have lists of registered voters.
Every ballot has a unique barcode.
Even if every registered voter got sent a ballot, there still would NOT be more ballots than registered voters. There would be one for one. There would NOT be more ballots than voters, let alone more ballots than residents.
If there were more votes than residents, or registered voters, that would show, INSTANTLY.
If there were duplicate ballots, the barcodes would flag.
Every ballot that is printed is accounted for, at every step of its existence, from creation to EOL.
Ballots are unique to the district, and if transferred to another district, would be obvious, and flagged instantly.
The extent of action needed to be taken to create the degree of "Votur Frawd" being claimed (including the part how there's no evidence, and that lack of evidence IS evidence of JUST HOW DEEP THE CONSPIRACY IS!! !) lies somewhere between fantasy and delusion.
Lemme go pop some popcorn in anticipation of "traitors aren't traitors" arguments from the "nazis arent nazis" committee.
14 Jan 2021, 2:34 am
Brictoria wrote:
Would you have a source for the claim it was organised on Parler? According to APNews, it was Twitter where the organisation of the event took place:
Yep, one of them here:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto ... e-75171945
Quote:
The conservative-friendly social network Parler was booted off the internet Monday over ties to last week’s siege on the U.S. Capitol, but not before digital activists made off with an archive of its posts, including any that might have helped organize or document the riot.
And the Twitter user @donk_enby managed to archive posts on Parler that were planning the attacks according to this story:
https://gizmodo.com/every-deleted-parle ... 1846032466
Quote:
The researcher, who asked to be referred to by her Twitter handle, @donk_enby, began with the goal of archiving every post from January 6, the day of the Capitol riot; what she called a bevy of “very incriminating” evidence. According to the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, among other sources, Parler is one of a several apps used by the insurrections to coordinate their breach of the Capitol, in a plan to overturn the 2020 election results and keep Donald Trump in power.
[/quote]Yep, they posted all their free speech there and their free speech is going to be used against them where they talked about this incident.
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14 Jan 2021, 3:15 am
slam_thunderhide wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Its a completely false narrative. Nowhere in his speech or at any other time did Trump incite a riot or call for violence. Show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece.
Apparently you didn’t watch the same speech as the Attorney General of Washington DC who has gone on record to say that he is charging trump with inciting violence.
You can't answer Mr Reynholm's challenge, and I doubt anyone else can either.
He asked people to "show the video if it exists not some newsman's opinion piece" and your response is "but this other guy said he did". LOL.
When I heard that Trump made a speech telling his followers to storm the US Capitol building, I thought woo hoo this I gotta hear! But to my disappointment that's not what I heard. However, apparently that's what the kooks who stormed the Capitol heard. So basically if Trump hadn't said anything about going to the Capitol, the invasion riot wouldn't have taken place.
14 Jan 2021, 3:36 am
The_Walrus wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
I waste time on all kinds of useless crap but I can’t imagine searching the forum to dig up trump support posts. We remember who those people were.
I can probably name 5 of them. All but two were banned. I think one of their bans got uplifted. They were on a 6 month time out.
Aaah, yes, that one. He’s probably still seething mad assuming I had anything to do with his ban and still not realizing that it was his posts and long term attitude that resulted in his ban. Like I disclosed then: I never even reported a single one of his posts, ever.
Neither have I. I could tell he was trolling and trying to make anti Trumpets mad. Then went to another board and said he was bullied here. I suspect he is back under a different username.
Ezra isn’t banned at present (unless that has changed without me noticing) so doesn’t fall under the prohibition of discussing banned users. Please remember that “former” users may still read the forum and you should remain considerate of their feelings - no personal attacks etc.
Neither are others presumed permabanned like Raptor, Dox47, Darmok etc.
