I hate capitalism

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Half the problem is expenses but many are often not willing enough to reign them in though it takes a lot more imagination than it did in the past. Simply living with another person to split bills in half.

No, they think they ARE capitalists because they have the potential (meaning, no legal restriction) to do the same things the actual capitalists do. They don't actually know what a capitalist is. They've been told they live in a capitalist society and that it's a good thing, and they comply.

The lucky ones will eventually own a house. There are a vanishingly small number that ACTUALLY own their house. And there are some lucky ones that have some money in a 401K. The vast majority don't even have either of those things, and they STILL think they are capitalists.

A genuinely purist leftie might well feel that participating in the very thing they hate is degrading and completely against what they stand for. But others might just use it as an excuse to avoid work. It's difficult to know the difference unless you get to see how they respond to a fair offer of work, and fair offers of work don't happen very often.

There's also a practical angle to it as well as a moral one. If you get a job with long, hard hours and lousy pay, you might easily get stuck in a poverty trap where you don't have the time, energy or confidence to get anything better.

Capitalism is a ponzi scheme, being propped up by bailouts and subsidies and tax breaks and public debt. That is, we already have socialism for the rich. It's what enables them to keep pretending capitalism works.

Libertarians have a saying that socialists will eventually run out of other people's money. They are right, except that they are talking about capitalists.

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"Everything Free Is Paid For By Someone Who Works"

Hehe Not Really, The US Government is 32 Trillion Dollars in Debt;
And the Rest of the Folks With Loans too Providing all the 'Free Stuff'...

Chances are the Government Loan will Never Be Paid Back And Lots
Of Other Folks Will Go into Bankruptcy for their Free Stuff too...

And on Top of that the Government Regularly Provides
Social Welfare to Bail Out Banks And Such As That too...

Yes Like Large Cooperation too Just For Free Give Aways...

All Part of that 32 Trillion Dollars in Debt too Hmm...

i'm Fiscally Conservative, i Don't Sell My Soul to the

Devil of Debt That Way Hehe...

And Not Only That i'll Never Have
to Earn Another Penny, Which Means
Life is Just A Free Place to Give Share
Care and Heal Liberally Everywhere i Go to Dance And Sing Free...

Here'S A Deal, 'When in Rome" You Blend in; You Take Advantage
Of the System You Are in, Set Yourself Free With Wings Even if it Almost

Burns And Kills
You Back in the
Working Days For Pay
33 Years like me too...

Life is Challenge Yet It's
Not True That Everything Free is
Paid for By Someone Who Works for Pay;

Like The Best Realities of Life, LoVE iN Peace Free;

The Place of Freedom the 'Almighty Dollar' Slays Most...

Yeah, Yeah, Capitalism With A Social Welfare State Mixed
in With the Free Market May Be the Best System We Currently

Have on Earth For Economic Success and Freedoms Yet Once Again

With the Highest Rates For Depression And Teenage Suicidal Ideation
Ever Among Young Women; And THE FACT that a Once Twice And Soon to
Be Thrice Indicted President And Most Despicable Leader Ever in the United

States is Way Ahead And Predicted
to Be the Republican Nominee again

(Among the So-Called Champions;
Conservatives For Law and Order)

For the Highest Office in the Land Again

Is God Damned Great Evidence That Capitalism
And The Rest of Our System in the United States
is Failing Within; And Many Other Places in the World too...

Hmm,

Maybe Artificial

Intelligence Will Save Our Asses in the Long Run;

And Maybe The System As Is Will Last the Rest of my Life;

The Savior oF iT All Damn Sure Won't Be Just One Character (Old Testament
Trump) From A Fictional Book; Perhaps Unless Pigs Fly With Angelic Wings HAha...

i'm Really Happy, 'the System'
Worked for me Yet i'm Not
Gonna Bury my Head in the
Sand And Suggest It's actually Working Well...

For
Most
Others
in the Long
Run For God Damned Sure...

It is Getting Rather Warm Outside FOR REAL...

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If people don't know how to make money, then they probably can't be trusted with any substantial amount of money.

I would much rather someone like Warren Buffet being in control of a nations economy than a typical communist who is probably in the bottom 50% and hasn't seen a stack of cash in their lives.

Apparently, most people do not understand Capitalism. Merriam-Webster says:

I am a Capitalist. Through investments, I am part-owner of a variety of capital goods (mainly pharma and tech). I and other shareholders determine how our investments will be applied, and our risks are mainly affected by the principle of Supply and Demand. We share ownership (through an investment corporation) of the means of production, and receive dividends based on profits. Our investments are applied toward product research, innovation, and development.

(Granted, I am not part of the “One Percent”, but my dividends keep a roof over my head, clothes on my back, and food on my table -- all the basics plus medical care and an occasional road trip.)

Socialists, on the other hand, are the workers who own the means of production, and thereby directly share in the profits (such businesses are also called “cooperatives”).

There are a couple of old sayings, “Work smarter, not harder” and “Make your money work for you”. These are not mere treacly cliches, but are basic principles of capitalism.

My choices have been based on the idea of being the type of salaried person who determines where a ditch is to be dug, rather than one of hourly workers hired to dig the ditch.

Other people, through their own choices, end up as day laborers, fast-food workers, and parking-lot attendants.

This is fair. By failing to plan to better themselves for the future, some people virtually plan to fail. Others (like me) started planning in grade school to increase my opportunities and not end up digging ditches for minimum wage.

So what is wrong with Capitalism? It rewards those who are both able and willing to make the right choices, and who both recognize and take advantage of the opportunities that come along, and eventually become the people who make corporate-level decisions. Those who cannot or will not make the right choices end up working for the decision-makers.

Again, if a person is disabled and cannot work, they should receive outside support to meet their basic needs.

Sadly, the people who speak the loudest against Capitalism seem to know the least about it.

Many people wind up in such jobs because they don't have a choice due to internal or external factors.
You are speaking from a place of privilege. Just because it worked for you doesn't mean that others can have the same experience. It's inherently unfair.

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That makes you a capitalist. This is NOT what most Americans mean when they say they are capitalist.

A vanishingly small numbers of Americans have capital. The most common ways Americans have capital is in home ownership and retirement investment, and a decreasing number have even that.

And a very proud number who have none of the above are the biggest fans of capitalism.

Eventually, nobody will be able to afford anything anyone has "invested" in, and the whole thing will collapse. In the last "recession" they resorted to stealing people's houses. It's the last asset people still have that is worth stealing. They will get more and more brazen, because they will have to.

Privileges that I EARNED. They were not gifted to me, nor were they inherited. I works for me because I make it work. Few people seem to realize how much effort it takes to take advantage of the Capitalist system -- they only see the rewards and assume that it all came easy

Also, I hope you read this part as well:

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It's shameful how some people view others being trapped in poverty as something those people deserve.

Well, they weren't in the right place at the right time so they deserve it. Look at all the work I did, investing correctly. They deserve to suffer because they weren't as smart as me.

It's a piss-poor argument, but it also reflects on the sort of character that such a person possesses.

How high is your IQ Fnord? Do you think that everyone was born with that same advantage? Being a white male may have played a role as well. I don't know.

A lot of the kids I've worked with as a special education teacher are going to work at some of the low-wage jobs you mentioned due to their specific challenges. That's the reality. It's not fair.

Sad thing is that people DO deserve the lives they have made for themselves.

Just as some of my high-school classmate started out as children of day-workers and became corporate executives through choosing intensive study and dedication, so too did some children of the more privileged families end up on the street through they choices THEY made.

Of course, there are always those whose situations limit their choices, but there are programs for them to use.

Every time a "landlord" uses credit to buy a property to rent, more money than ever goes to the bank. The landlord is called a "capitalist" because he used the bank's capital to increase the cost of housing for someone who doesn't have the credit.

Every time your housing apartment changes hands, more of your rent money goes to the bank. Every time a house is flipped, or turned to rental housing, or BUILT as rental housing, housing becomes more expensive for everyone, including those who were in no position to be "preparing to be a capitalist since grade school."

Our education system says this is a good thing. It is not.

What do you think those programs are like?