Worst U.S. President Ever

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So, from 24.9% to 17.2%, well, a 1% improvement per year, so at that rate, we'd only need 12 more years of depression to reach recovery.

And of course, the cost of threatening the balance of the 3 branches of government is something to hardly be concerned about. In fact, I really think we should just remove Congress and the SCOTUS with just having the executive branch, because we all know that it can be infallible. In any case, all of the moves by FDR to alter the system were *brilliant* as wage and price control measures are the best way to handle an economic system, and besides, we all *know* that the proper use of the Commerce Clause is to give government power over to issues inside the states.


Of course, a brilliant idea, after all, individual's labor contracts are inherently something that other people have a right to get involved in, and it isn't as if there has ever been any argumentation showing that unions hurt people outside of unions by excluding them from employment, nor is it as if paying workers grossly more than the market wage could be inefficient *at all*, and frankly, union bosses deserve our trust anyway. I mean, really, empowering another bureaucratic organization to give it power? A brilliant idea.


Right, all of these programs that now are breaking the US's bank, and that are clogging our system with unnecessary crap. Brilliant! Future generations *should* know something about the Great Depression, and what better way than all sorts of primitive laws that helped certain political groups and thus are now impossible to dislodge?


Sure, he was all of those things, but the worst president of the US as well. But I mean, who can deny that a man who got re-elected 4 times was a great politician, if he weren't a great politician then the people running against him must have been completely terrible.

Once again, Orwell would probably have to admit that Roosevelt was a good politician, but does being good at politics merit power? I mean, Reagan was also a very good politician, who else could have an administration that violated both national and international law, massively pump up the deficit, and begin going senile in office and *still* get massive ratings and even admiration by some groups to the current day? Excellent politician, I don't care much for him either.

Gamefreak, unions suck and you will never get me to concede that point. And you're actually defending FDR's attempts to pack the courts? Holy crap, even the crazy whackjob liberal historians I've read who worship FDR as a god say that was a stupid idea and a corrupt scheme.

History is extremely subjective. As a history major, I have repeatedly seen two different authors present exactly opposite beliefs as being simple fact- not even mentioning that the other side exists, much less attempt to refute it. No mention of the shift between simple factual discussion of what, historically, occurred, and their interpretations and opinions on the topic. Nope, just plow right on ahead, and if you don't like their viewpoint, that's because you aren't educated enough to know better.

The Supreme Court is an interesting case in a country supposedly democratic. The assumption that the actions of the Supreme Court are neutral and unbiased is ironic when you consider how it railroaded Bush in over Gore. FDR was repeatedly frustrated in his policies by a reactionary Supreme Court and his actions were understandable under those circumstances. The current Supreme Court is again beginning to be a danger to democracy in its support of G.W.Bush's totalitarian bent.

The Supreme Court was intended to temper the excesses of pure democracy and allow there to be powerful people who didn't have to worry about their popularity ratings.

Bush v Gore was a messy case however you cut it, and it wasn't purely a conservatives vs liberals thing- I remember at least one liberal-leaning justice voted to end the recounts. And later investigations found that even if the recounts that Gore was asking for had been carried out, Bush would have managed to squeak through in Florida.

FDR was repeatedly frustrated in his efforts to do obviously illegal things, so he decided to appoint people who wouldn't care about upholding the law.

The current Supreme Court is not a danger to democracy, and Bush, while incompetent, is hardly a totalitarian. And he hasn't always had the backing of the Supreme Court anyways. And Bush will be gone in a few days anyways, so why are you still whining about him? He's almost gone, he didn't quite manage to destroy America or end the world, and he didn't declare a military dictatorship. Most of the fears about him were exaggerated. Now just let him sink into his deserved historical obscurity as a mildly amusing but incompetent buffoon.

"And Bush will be gone in a few days anyways, so why are you still whining about him? He's almost gone, he didn't quite manage to destroy America or end the world, and he didn't declare a military dictatorship. Most of the fears about him were exaggerated. Now just let him sink into his deserved historical obscurity as a mildly amusing but incompetent buffoon."

A most amusingly frightening comment by someone almost completely unaware of the current state of US affairs.

Sand, I live in the US and have for my entire life. You're not even in the same f*****g hemisphere. I follow the news, I keep informed. I know we're in a recession. You're just being a dolt now. Is the US under martial law? Because I've been out late at night and not noticed any troops enforcing curfews. I still see people working, spending, living a comfortable first-world existence. Some people are having a rougher time now than they did under Clinton, yes. I know people who are out of work. But they will get new jobs. It's not the end of the world, and recessions don't last forever. Bush has not been a great leader. He's made plenty of stupid decisions. But he has not brought about the Apocalypse, and anyone who says otherwise is just being an immature drama queen.

As a US citizen and a former New Yorker I am very concerned and quite well informed as to what is occurring in the USA. Your statements are, under present circumstances, quite bizarre. Wait a bit and you will see the economic tsunami hit and hit very hard indeed.

"Present circumstances" are a recession, a failed war that is starting to wind down, and serious budget problems. Bush is not *solely* responsible for all of these, though he was a major contributor to some of those issues. Nor are any of these issues a "tsunami." There are some tough times ahead for a lot of Americans, but we've been through tougher times and come out just fine. This too shall pass.

For worst USA presidents, I'm going to shoot for a few.

William Henry Harrison - was only president for a month before he died.
Ulysses S. Grant
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson - he's 1 of the 2 U.S. Presidents to be impeached
Herbert Hoover
Warren Harding
Franklin D. Roosevelt -

No doubt it will pass. I am not exempting the Democrats and Clinton in particular from the cause of the disaster but Bush and his cohort eagerly seized and exacerbated the problems. Obama has employed the same crew that initiated and participated in the disaster and his reluctance to act decisively and forcefully to halt it indicates the USA has only seen the tip of the coming collapse. Perhaps a few months of Obama's regime will turn things around but it doesn't look good at the moment.

Meh, people have been predicting the collapse of civilization pretty much since the dawn of civilization. I'm not really convinced that this time, they actually know what they're talking about.

Why Truman

A deep economic depression is not the collapse of civilization.

What do you mean. Under Clinton our country has at its best. Almost Full Employment, Rapid Growth.

Under Clinton and Rubin the Glass Steagall regulations were subverted and this started the wild financial manipulations that finally resulted in the current economic collapse.

Do you pay any attention? It is considered frequently that the current economic problems cause's began in the Clinton administration.