Does anyone else agree with feminism?

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It was a typo.

Do you likewise find yourself giggling at angry, vein-bulging, "make-me-a-sammich" declarations about what does and does not constitute oppression?

Eh, I should've read the rest of the post where he claimed it was a typo. However, I've heard that assumption that women (plural) are less logical so many times that it's not funny any more.

As for angry, anti-feminist statements - I honestly don't give them much mind. If they're not engaging in anything worthy of discourse, then I don't bother. My position is not in any way damaged by ignoring them, or helped by responding. People that agree with them are going to agree with them, regardless of what I say. Plus, I have a limited supply of of mental energy.

You guys should think about not editing your posts, they are much more funny that way.

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Last edited by snapcap on 02 Apr 2012, 2:15 pm, edited 2 times in total.

As I explained to Valentine, that was not the intention of the statement. I was pointing out that the women in question had questionable judgment if she elects to date a man whom she accused of harassment. Enough encounters with such women, will undoubtedly color someone's judgment of women just as encounters with large swaths of misogynist males will color a woman's judgment of males. Feminism is frequently construed by men as an attack on men as a gender. This is not the whole movement, however the extremes always garner the most attention.

The example was of one person.
Regardless,
that's prima facie irrational on the count of both parties.


Yes, about those "extremes"....?

I edit almost obsessively for clarity and grammar.

Me too. Why can't I get it right the first time?

The rise of the vaginarchy will be swift, without mercy and sexy-but-sensibly dressed

Perhaps a cream-colored pantsuit with pearls and stylish pumps.

Was going to do another point-by-point refutation (why is that only aggro when a feminist does it, btw?), but it's rather beside the point now. Pointing out problems is whining; trying to get equal access to the military is invading men's last bastion of masculinity, not serving in the army is being privileged, decrying the a murder of a young man is playing the race card, not decrying violence against men is callous and self-involved.

If I don't have sex with him I'm a frigid tease;
If I do have sex with him I'm a tramp;
States should have the right to prohibit birth control,
But if I get pregnant because of lack of access to birth control I'm irresponsible,
And if I have an abortion I'm a murdering b***h;
If I have the baby I'm a drain on society.
If my husband supports me I'm a parasite,
And if I work I'm stealing a man's job and am a ball- busting b***h.

Did I forget anything?

That you're just being uppity/self-entitled instead of grateful you weren't born in the third world where women are genuinely oppressed?

And if you were born in the third world, you should be happy you are being treated 'like a princess' and everybody drives and works for you.

Not specifically.

Sounds sensual

Maybe a simple seamless panty and bra set with a little-

I'll stop before we're forced to move to the adult forum.

Indeed, there we have it - once more, feminism alienated someone completely. If only this discussion had been about actual content rather than quatsch about you not needing to reason.
Why is it that you don't need reasoning behind your viewpoints, by the way? Do you, in fact have any? I'd like to keep this discussion formal, so this is yet another request in good faith.
Let's go for another round, as I still haven't had enough, and I really do feel like arguing now, though I might have to go for another sixteen to seventeen hours now.

Here are my viewpoints and their reasoning. Please provide yours.

Basic view: With equal rights should come equal conditions and equal responsibilities; feminism should focus on those now instead of ever-expanding rights.

Argument I: The European Union is currently deciding on a set percentage of women in boardrooms of large companies, regardless of competence. Is it not sexism to require companies to hire women over men based solely on their sex? Meanwhile, women are still not forced by society to work, but allowed to and often discriminated in favour of, whereas men are expected to work and discriminated against.
Argument II: If women have equal pay, should they not have equal cultural responsibilities that come along with that pay? Should they not expect, and not be insulted, that men want to split the bill for a date? Should they not, in equal responsibility that naturally comes with equal rights unless a matriarchal society is desired by them, sometimes ask men to marry them?
Argument III: If women have the right to decide on whether or not to terminate a pregnancy, why are they allowed to, as a result of their choice, force men to pay alimony after a divorce? Your body, your choice, your responsibility.
Argument IV: I believe birth control pills should not be paid for with any money unwillingly paid for by men. In cases of actual medical use, I'd condone it, but I don't want to pay more so that women can have sex. It's like being forced to buy someone a car while you ride a bicycle through the rain. There are no condom subsidies here, and that one should work both ways.
Argument V: Here's one - cultural expectations of behaviour. While women are not expected to go into military service, unprepared men can be sent off on a whim. Why not take that responsibility and turn it into something worth respect for feminism? Why not give women the choice men have - service or jail? As Farrell said: posters with a soldier accompanied by the text 'a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do' are fine, but imagine the backlash if posters appeared with pregnant women saying 'a woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do'. Both are, apparently, role patterns, but one is now a taboo while the other is encouraged.
Argument VI: Criminal justice. Why is it that women are much, much less likely to be executed for the same type of crimes, and sometimes even for crimes they co-committed? Only 0.9% of all inmates executed in the United States since 1976 were women. They've been known to get away with much more, and could even blame their involvement in crimes on men in return for a much more lenient sentence.

For anything else, I refer to Warren Farrell, who does have a point in almost everything he says, but seems to be systematically ignored or ridiculed by feminists.
In return for any answers from anyone inclined to respond, preferably in a sensible way, here's something colourful.



Goodnight, Rotterdam!

alimony is unrelated to pregnancy and abortion. i think you're mixing up your words and/or concepts.