Does anyone else agree with feminism?

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The only ad hominem attacks in recent posts have been made by you...against me.
The "valid points" you refer to seem to be bitter, made up stereotypes of Western women as put forth by a self-proclaimed misogynist,
and you've done nothing to "defend" them other than to declare you agree with them, and cite SITCOMS as your "reasoning".

I agree, though, that there is no real discussion taking place any more,
because the people who indict FEMINISM refuse to elaborate on their very own positions.

Interesting. That is not sarcasm, I do find it interesting that you have had this experience. I have met few, if any, women who do not act like women in sitcoms.

It shold also be noted that NT's often base their own views of society, gender roles, and what they themselves should act like off of the personalities commonly portrated in the media. Why else do you think people get all uppity about "role models" in entertainment?


This, too, is interesting. There are certainly many relationships where the man is the abuser since it is easier for a man to physically dominate women. I haven't personally known of an abusive-by-male relationship other than my ex husband but I do not blame that example on his being a male. He was just an emotionally black-mailing type of person. I have witness countless examples of females being emotionally abusive in ways like the examples I gave above, though.


Yes, I agree with this. I think that, on a large level, it is all a matter of perspective. We have clearly witnessed different things in life and it is undetermineable whether or not this is due to the people we have been around or simply due to what filters are on in our brain. I do not deny the concept of a personal bias. Everyone has them to some extent.

I just want everyone to deal with each person as an individual and stop defining themselves and others by gender. But that is unlikely to happen in general society any time soon.

I think she skirts the edge of breaking the rules but I have witnessed others on this very thread recieve a warning from a mod for similar behavior. Perhaps there is some core defining principle I am failing to grasp (I do this often) but it seems inconsistent to me. The yawns and eyerolling are pretty much translatable to "You're an idiot" in body-language speak and that's a personal attack. That might be a stretch on my part but that is how I feel about it. *shrug* Sorry for becoming antagonistic myself, I became emotional.

Yet it is only one of you who extrapolates personal experience to MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AS A CLASS.

Gotta be honest. You're sounding pretty feminist-y.

I don't disagree with the ideology. I disagree with the word itself and the common presentation.

Infact, I think perhaps I will start calling myself a masculinist and claim it stands for equality of the genders. I think that would be a fitting word for my ideology.

I do not judge a new individual by my prior observations. However, that doesn't change the fact that my general experience and observations have been what they are. I can speak about the people I've encoutered as a whole without incriminating those who I have not experienced. Also, seperately, the stereotypes exist whether you acknowledge them or not. I did not invent them, I am mearly commenting on them. Male stereotypes exist as well, you know. They all love sports and cars and beer and steak and are typically lazy and somewhat simple-minded and often immature and unintelligent. That's the stereotype of the typical male. Once again, I didn't invent it. I just didn't intentionally blind myself to it as you apparently have. There are plenty of people who don't fit into stereotypes. But stereotypes exist for the reason that MANY people DO fit into them and it is circular as well because the existence of the stereotype often causes the herd-minded person to believe this is what they should be like.

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Making up words for which there are already labels is all well and good- it just serves to confuse everybody.
The instant you declare yourself opposed to gender roles, everyone will associate you with radical feminism, anyway.

Curious, do you not know any fat women or women over 30?
Women seem to die after this age in sitcomland...

I find this all very fascinating, you can understand.

It doesn't matter to me what others may label me as.

Is this a serious question or more sarcasm? I will answer if the question is genuine.

I doubt it was serious.

Even I know you meant the behaviour of women in sitcoms rather than their age and appearance.

I think my experience has been coloured by the fact that I'm working class. The women I know don't have the luxury of acting like the ones in sitcoms and the gender roles are more 'traditional'. I put traditional in quotation marks because women have always worked hard in my community. I mean, really hard. You know like those African tribes where the men snooze under a tree and occasionally slaughter an animal, whilst the women do all the farming, building and childrearing? Kind of like a Western version of that (my own father isn't like that, though). And there have been some quite horrific cases of abuse in my own family (as well as very egalitarian relationships).

I won't extrapolate that as applicable to all members of a particular gender, though.

Oh, I was being serious.
I've never met someone who genuinely asserts that real life can be understood in any dimension through television, or video games, or Hollywood film, or anything like that.

Apologies.

Thanks for sharing that, puddingmouse. I work as well but I don't see an attitude of hard work among my collegues very often. I can definarely see how such an upbringing would affect one's view of the world. My mother raised my sister and I by herself from age 11 onward and she was a strong woman but I don't really see her as a shining example either due to her constant disparaging of my father (who certainly had his faults but did work hard to provide for us while he was alive) and men in general. And any time she sucessfully completed a task she would shout out "I AM WOMAN!" There are plenty of strong people, male and female. I dislike anyone who routinely insults (or compliments) people based on gender alone and I unfortunately see this type of behavior more frequently from a female group aimed at males.

Despite my comments seemingly to indicate the contrary, I do not extrapolate this behavior on to females as a group, either. I was mearly commenting on the stereotypes. It seems that, on this forum, there are many people who break the mold in this and just about every other area I've ever discussed to length. I don't think those people should hold themselves out as the norm, though. Perhaps there is no "norm" anymore.

The media has never done a good job in representing the average woman imo. Oh no I'll probably called on this as a nasty western feminazi. As for my family, all the women have had to work hard. Even my sister who raises 3 kids and works double shift, which is not enough and an ex-husband who has never paid a dime for child support much less work or participate in caring for the children. Yes those awful uncivilized western women....

It is well known that TV not only offers a window/commentary into current society but also shapes the direction of it's next generation. I am surpised that this seems like news to some people. Some sources:

http://www.mediaculture-online.de/fileadmin/bibliothek/stafford_sitcoms/stafford_sitcoms.pdf

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5002353336




This article also contains plenty of examples of male dominince in media portrayal so the feminists should enjoy it.

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Many women portrayed in the media have careers these days. The stereotype is no longer only housewife/mother.

No the usual stereotype is good looking, having a prince charming, too much time on her hands (think sex in the city), and raunchy as in stripper material. Not that I have anything against strippers but it gets a bit tiring to see women only being either fantasy material or princess in need of a prince. And the acting is glib and fake but this doesn't take boundaries on gender. No wonder I'm a huge fan of independent foreign films. Go figure.

Sitcom men are too.