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01 Oct 2010, 2:15 pm

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Oh no, I'm so scared (sigh.) Just be careful not to get your thumb or fingers caught in the chamber when you have the bolt drawn back. I'd not want you dainties to accidentally lose a precious typing digit.
That's most commonly a problem with the M1 Garand, which is Far too manly of a gun for your standard issue limp-wristed liberal. Perhaps you should start them out with a Crickett .22 short with a muzzle brake and a good recoil pad. :P


Bah, the absolute worst thing to get your finger caught in is a Browning Auto 5 shotgun; that sucker has a 35 pound return spring, a sharp hooked extractor, and the bolt is released by a catch inside the chamber area. Sticking your finger in one of those is liable to land you in the ER having your fingernail removed and the damage the extractor did when it was ripped back out repaired; this was a very feared injury when I was in gunsmith's school.


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01 Oct 2010, 2:42 pm

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I welcome the challenge for sure............ Leftists playing the hapless victim card is getting kind of old.

And right-wingers never play the victum card? :roll: You guys aren't hapless victims of the "darkies" and Mexican immigrants? If not why don't you quit your bitchin' and go do something about it?



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01 Oct 2010, 3:43 pm

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We're going at it with Bill 1070, but 'Da Prez' keeps getting in the way.



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01 Oct 2010, 3:46 pm

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Screw bolt action rifles. Is the AR-15 legal in the US?


Not where you live, Maryland/DC has some of the strictest/screwiest gun laws in the country. In most of America though, AR-15s are totally legal, they're just considered a semi automatic rifle. They get a bad rep because they're scary looking to some people with all the black plastic parts and what not, despite being functionally identical to other less menacing looking rifles such as the Ruger Mini 14.

Ironically enough, the M1 they are talking about is also a semi automatic rifle firing a much more powerful round, the biggest edge an AR 15 has over an M1 Garand is that the AR feeds from a 30 round detachable magazine while the M1 uses an 8 round en bloc charger to reload. Which one is better really depends upon the purpose, an M1 can reach out to 1000 yards and still pack a hell of a punch but lacks magazine capacity, recoils heavily, and a is long and cumbersome; the AR is designed for use up to 500 yards (800 with proper ammo), is light and handy, but fires a light round that lacks wounding potential and penetration capability. They're like specialized tools, neither is really "better", they're just designed for different purposes. Basically if you're going after a guy with an M1 and you've got an AR, just hope he doesn't see you first... :D

I know, off topic and all, but I can't resist when this sort of thing get's dangled in front of me.


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01 Oct 2010, 5:17 pm

People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?



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01 Oct 2010, 5:36 pm

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People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?

Ronald Regan was a much more experienced politician and statesman who didn't have the kind of personality problems Obama has. Unlike Regan, Obama will keep on believing he is right and that he is a genius and that the American public is too dense to recognize it.


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01 Oct 2010, 6:41 pm

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Basically if you're going after a guy with an M1 and you've got an AR, just hope he doesn't see you first... :D

What about an M1A? The M1 Garand just sounds too clumsy and too expensive, nothing but a showy relic. Not a good weapon for purposes of arming the proletariat for a leftist revolt against the tea-partiers. A combination of M1As and AR-15s might do the trick. :D



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01 Oct 2010, 7:02 pm

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What about an M1A? The M1 Garand just sounds too clumsy and too expensive, nothing but a showy relic. Not a good weapon for purposes of arming the proletariat for a leftist revolt against the tea-partiers. A combination of M1As and AR-15s might do the trick. :D

:lmao: I wish you luck trying to out-gun the tea party and using a 1-dimensional strategy to defeat them. You're going to need it! :lol:


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01 Oct 2010, 8:41 pm

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What about an M1A? The M1 Garand just sounds too clumsy and too expensive, nothing but a showy relic. Not a good weapon for purposes of arming the proletariat for a leftist revolt against the tea-partiers. A combination of M1As and AR-15s might do the trick. :D

:lmao: I wish you luck trying to out-gun the tea party and using a 1-dimensional strategy to defeat them. You're going to need it! :lol:

I don't believe a bunch of rednecks will have superior combat experience just because they know how to guzzle budweisers all day long in a tree perch and unload a 30 caliber clip into some hapless flower sniffing bambi that happens to wander by. It's not like you guys hunt animals that can shoot back at you.



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01 Oct 2010, 9:10 pm

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What about an M1A? The M1 Garand just sounds too clumsy and too expensive, nothing but a showy relic. Not a good weapon for purposes of arming the proletariat for a leftist revolt against the tea-partiers. A combination of M1As and AR-15s might do the trick. :D

:lmao: I wish you luck trying to out-gun the tea party and using a 1-dimensional strategy to defeat them. You're going to need it! :lol:

I don't believe a bunch of rednecks will have superior combat experience just because they know how to guzzle budweisers all day long in a tree perch and unload a 30 caliber clip into some hapless flower sniffing bambi that happens to wander by. It's not like you guys hunt animals that can shoot back at you.

If you had really thought this through you would have come to realize how much you stand to sacrifice by the use of armed conflict, even if you were likely to defeat a tea party. That is why I called your plan 1-dimensional.


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01 Oct 2010, 9:56 pm

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People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?

Ronald Regan was a much more experienced politician and statesman who didn't have the kind of personality problems Obama has. Unlike Regan, Obama will keep on believing he is right and that he is a genius and that the American public is too dense to recognize it.


Uh, with double digit unemployment Barack Obama could implement all the Tea Partisans' (absurd, backwards, incoherent) policies and not gain much in way of public approval. Let me share something from any introductory article on Depression-scale disasters - THEY DON'T DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT!



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01 Oct 2010, 10:09 pm

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People do realize that 42% Approval Ratings were what Ronald Reagan had in a much, much less severe downturn?

Ronald Regan was a much more experienced politician and statesman who didn't have the kind of personality problems Obama has. Unlike Regan, Obama will keep on believing he is right and that he is a genius and that the American public is too dense to recognize it.


Uh, with double digit unemployment Barack Obama could implement all the Tea Partisans' (absurd, backwards, incoherent) policies and not gain much in way of public approval. Let me share something from any introductory article on Depression-scale disasters - THEY DON'T DISAPPEAR OVERNIGHT!

Of course they don't disappear overnight. I never said they didn't. Obama is not psychologically up to the task of pulling his administration out of it's power dive or implementing policies that will eventually fix the economy.


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01 Oct 2010, 11:19 pm

Here's a perfectly ideologicially neutral reason to be upset with Obama:

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/09/27/tyranny/

Ordering hits on US citizens and then saying that no one has a right to even question it? Even Dick Cheney would have blushed floating that one...


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01 Oct 2010, 11:30 pm

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I don't believe a bunch of rednecks will have superior combat experience just because they know how to guzzle budweisers all day long in a tree perch and unload a 30 caliber clip into some hapless flower sniffing bambi that happens to wander by. It's not like you guys hunt animals that can shoot back at you.


I'll take our inebriated heroism and superior sniping skills over your novelty light-sabres and bowstaffs any day............ In your quest to save Middle Earth from the Tea-Party, have you Bilbos traded in your laser-tag guns for your pellet rifles yet?

On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.

We have superior fitness as well. I myself can bench-press 450, as well as run a mile in undre 6 minutes. Don't mean to brag, but I could probably knock out 2 dozen pantywaists in one sitting with nothing but a billy club.



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01 Oct 2010, 11:51 pm

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On a serious note, active and ex-military is overwhelmingly Republican and Conservative, so I'm afraid in a 1930's reminiscent commie/Croix-de-Feu street battle, you guys would likely be wiped out in an absolute turkey shoot.


I've noted this for years myself, having gone to an alternative school full of would be Che Guevaras who liked to skip over the part where he get's buried under an airstrip in Bolivia. I used to point out that it was one thing to romanticize the idea of armed confrontation with ideological opponents, but to keep in mind that as Seattle liberals those opponents were likely armed and ornery. I like to split the difference myself, my logic and reasoning skills are my primary and most effective weapons, but I still keep a pair of .45s handy just in case those aren't enough.


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02 Oct 2010, 12:01 am

Dox47 wrote:
Here's a perfectly ideologicially neutral reason to be upset with Obama:

http://www.theagitator.com/2010/09/27/tyranny/

Ordering hits on US citizens and then saying that no one has a right to even question it? Even Dick Cheney would have blushed floating that one...


Forget just US citizens, ordering hits on anyone without the right of critical scrutiny is a a very vile and deeply immoral thing to do.