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27 Oct 2010, 8:08 am
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Doubtlessly the US would respond in kind with a much greater nuclear force. The USS Liberty incident is a clear indication that Israel has no qualms about killing Americans if it serves their purposes.
So, during the war with all the other nations around them and accidentally misidentifying an American ship as an enemy target and attacking it, how did the USA respond?
Since you are so hot on research you can easily discover that the Israeli forces not only recognized the Liberty as an American ship with clearly identified marking but the senior Israeli pilot at the attack recognized the ship as a US vessel and refused to attack. He was arrested when he returned to base.
See http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... berty.html
So, the senior pilot was arrested for refusing to follow orders or for refusing to destroy an American ship?
Also, the link you gave did indicate that the ship was thought to be Egyptian and not American. At the altitude of a spy plane the Liberty would look near identical to the Egyptian vessel it was thought to be, although the photograph on the link you provided shows them from a couple hundred yards distance where, even then, they are similar in appearance. The military intelligence was wrong but insisted that they must be right, do you know how often that has happened throughout this era of modern warfare?
A sucker for a 6000 year old universe is quite appropriate for a sucker for Israeli BS.
That's all fine and dandy, but "spy planes" don't engage in low level strafing attacks by machine gun, and at THAT height its substantially more obvious that there is a difference. The similarity in appearance is one that can be described foremost as "they are both ships." To someone (theoretically) trained to recognise the difference between allied and enemy craft, the differences are substantial. Whilst it is to be understood that "friend or foe" recognition programs in the US leave a lot to be desired, I understand that Israel is rather more thorough about training its pilots.
This incident is only really remarkable by the lack of US reaction, and I suspect that comes from their desire to maintain a "western" state in the middle east being more powerful than their need to "revenge" their sailors.
As for the 6000 year thing.. lol. Yeah, OK Gandalf.
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27 Oct 2010, 9:21 am
Sand wrote:
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Did the government of Israel do nothing to repay for their mistake of attacking the US vessel near El Arish during the Six Day War?
Israel paid indemnity to the U.S. for damages flowing from that mistake.
It were better if the U.S. did not send their ships into a war zone for a war in which the U.S. was not one of the belligerents. In a war all sorts of nasty things happen.
ruveyn
Exactly, especially when an ally is fighting half a dozen enemies all at once it is wise to either be there specifically to assist or to not be there at all.
My reference See http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm indicates the Israelis clearly understood what they were doing and mercilessly machine gunned US Navy sailors swimming in the water. There is no excuse for that.
Perhaps you'd like me to find some opposing links and then we could have a battle of the links and then argue about how it was actually the CIA and not Lee Harvey Oswald who killed JFK and how this or that or the other, emphasizing the actions which have the worst connotations irregardless of reference to similar incidences throughout the history of warfare in which similar issues of inaccurate I.F.F. have occurred and then blaming Israel for a singular instance 50 years ago.
I'd rather not get personal. Forget it. You're not worthy of my interest.
Oh so sad, I am undone, so unworthy am I. Unworthy, unworthy! Poor pity me!
Now who's guilty of arrogance after accusing me of the same?
27 Oct 2010, 2:41 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Did the government of Israel do nothing to repay for their mistake of attacking the US vessel near El Arish during the Six Day War?
Israel paid indemnity to the U.S. for damages flowing from that mistake.
It were better if the U.S. did not send their ships into a war zone for a war in which the U.S. was not one of the belligerents. In a war all sorts of nasty things happen.
ruveyn
Exactly, especially when an ally is fighting half a dozen enemies all at once it is wise to either be there specifically to assist or to not be there at all.
My reference See http://www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm indicates the Israelis clearly understood what they were doing and mercilessly machine gunned US Navy sailors swimming in the water. There is no excuse for that.
Perhaps you'd like me to find some opposing links and then we could have a battle of the links and then argue about how it was actually the CIA and not Lee Harvey Oswald who killed JFK and how this or that or the other, emphasizing the actions which have the worst connotations irregardless of reference to similar incidences throughout the history of warfare in which similar issues of inaccurate I.F.F. have occurred and then blaming Israel for a singular instance 50 years ago.
I'd rather not get personal. Forget it. You're not worthy of my interest.
Oh so sad, I am undone, so unworthy am I. Unworthy, unworthy! Poor pity me!
Now who's guilty of arrogance after accusing me of the same?Arrogant? Maybe? Right? Almost definitely. IN this very thread you have already demonstrated a distinct lack of knowledge about military history. So, going with the concept that Israel is not afraid to kill people for its own gain (as is the case with most nations, sooner or later), I believe the suggestion was that Israel might be tempted to try an arrange a false-flag operation to "frame" another state for a nuclear terror attack.
Instigating a false-flag operation against the states is not unlikely. Using the nuclear option would be an extreme concept, and surely would be withheld until the most dire of situations? If Israel were THAT threatened, is it not more likely that they would simply resort to a straight-forward nuclear attack against their enemy?
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