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AstroGeek
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17 Mar 2012, 6:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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400 years (500 at most) ago Christianity was just as oppressive a religion as Islam is now. I am pretty sure that modernity will have its way on fundamentalists, no matter what creed they follow.


Islam has been around for 700 years and shows not a single sign of detoxifying itself.

Judaism used to be as bad a** as Islam is now. Several thousand years of being beat up and exiled have finally taught Jews how to live tolerably well with other folks. The same may have to be done to Islam. Defeat them in wars, humiliate them, grind their faces into the mud and break their backs. Then Islam may transform itself into a tolerable religion.

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Christianity was around for 1500 years before it even started to become tolerable. And the churches that I don't dismiss with disgust were mostly founded in the 20th century. In any case, American media and cultural colonialism is so wide spread that I imagine those values will spread as well. There are many downsides of this, but one upside (possibly the only one) is that it tends to spread more socially liberal attitudes.



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17 Mar 2012, 6:36 pm

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Christians don't typically murder dozens of people over cartoons.
In the most populous Christian nations, there's an argument over insurance coverage of birth control.
In the most populous Islamic nation, bride burnings and STONING RAPE VICTIMS is the norm.

To compare the two is laughable.


My world has been turned upside down!

I heartily agree with you.

AspieRogue: You must really, really hate your civilisation to want to celebrate this vile cult.



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17 Mar 2012, 7:24 pm

If you take a sentence written by a Culture Warrior, and replace "Muslim" with "uneducated tribalist from a poor country", then it starts to make perfect sense.

Why are Christian countries nice, while Muslim countries are repressive and backwards? It's not because the religions are different. The foundational texts of both religions are so vague and contradictory that people simply see what they want to see in them. Both Christianity and Islam are constantly reinterpreted for different purposes.

The reason is to do with wealth and power. If you are well-off and feel enfranchised in your society, and you get a world-class education, you pick up a cosmopolitan and open-minded set of values. On the other hand, a simple life creates simple people.



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17 Mar 2012, 8:10 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
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This is not going to happen. Nor is Islam going to ever go away...........I honestly am more angered by Quran burning than bible burning, even though I'm neither Muslim nor Christian. The reason for that has to do with the fact that I view Christianity as a tool used to make people submissive/keep them in their place and uphold the establishment. Islam, at least to me living in the USofA, is sort of a violent opposition to the Western establishment whereas Jews have effectively joined it.


Christians don't typically murder dozens of people over cartoons.
In the most populous Christian nations, there's an argument over insurance coverage of birth control.
In the most populous Islamic nation, bride burnings and STONING RAPE VICTIMS is the norm.

To compare the two is laughable.


This is something we can both agree on.