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09 Jun 2012, 12:29 pm

And dare I say, one of the more believable theories about the Kennedy assassination was that right wing Anti-Castro fanatics - some of whom were American and Cuban CIA contract agents and contacts sponsored by the CIA and American mob - had hit the president, making use of the (allegedly) Pro-Castro Lee Harvey Oswald. These people had hated Kennedy as much as they had hated Castro, blaming the American president for deserting them at the Bay of Pigs.
Sorry, but Kennedy Assassination conspiracies are among my Aspie obsessions, and thus I can hardly help myself!

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09 Jun 2012, 1:51 pm

I suspect that if one compares executions in Cuba versus executions, disappearances, massacres, and political killings that took place in various countries under the auspices of the CIA, then Cuba would come off looking very mild and civilized in comparison. Moreover, disaffected Cubans always had the option of moving to Miami--an option that wasn't open to disaffected Argentines.

According to this table from Amnesty International:

https://www.google.com/fusiontables/Dat ... 435418lhLB

Cuba had no executions in 2011, versus 43 in the United States, which is one of the planet's execution leaders.



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09 Jun 2012, 3:57 pm

Neither. He just was. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I'd say the rise of such revolutionaries was pretty much an inevitable consequence when democratic avenues to functional leadership were suppressed by the ruling class. Extremist Marxism itself is the bastard child of the brutish excesses of 19th century style industrial capitalism and colonialist exploitation.



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09 Jun 2012, 4:18 pm

@OP
he is not relevant



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09 Jun 2012, 4:23 pm

slave wrote:
@OP
he is not relevant


Stop trolling



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09 Jun 2012, 4:37 pm

Joker wrote:
slave wrote:
@OP
he is not relevant


Stop trolling


Be careful!
The trolls will tell on U for calling them trolls....



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09 Jun 2012, 5:21 pm

marshall wrote:
Neither. He just was. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I'd say the rise of such revolutionaries was pretty much an inevitable consequence when democratic avenues to functional leadership were suppressed by the ruling class. Extremist Marxism itself is the bastard child of the brutish excesses of 19th century style industrial capitalism and colonialist exploitation.

I guess that is my basic view on him. But I am still incredibly critical of much of what he did.



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09 Jun 2012, 6:24 pm

Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
slave wrote:
@OP
he is not relevant


Stop trolling


Be careful!
The trolls will tell on U for calling them trolls....


Yup but unlike Slave I don't try to act cool on the Internet.



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09 Jun 2012, 6:51 pm

I disapprove of his smoking

[img][800:567]http://truthdenied.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ernesto-che-guevara-62b.jpg[/img]

Taking into consideration the time in which he lived, I would say he was quite heroic and admirable.

Some of the things that our "Founding Fathers" did may have been unadmirable--these things tend to get glossed over, and they are presented as heroes to school children. On balance, they too may have been more good than bad, speaking generally.



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09 Jun 2012, 6:52 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
I disapprove of his smoking

[img][800:567]http://truthdenied.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/ernesto-che-guevara-62b.jpg[/img]

Taking into consideration the time in which he lived, I would say he was quite heroic and admirable.

Some of the things that our "Founding Fathers" did may have been unadmirable--these things tend to get glossed over, and they are presented as heroes to school children. On balance, they too may have been more good than bad, speaking generally.


I wana a cig 8)



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09 Jun 2012, 7:00 pm

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I wana a cig 8)


You and Che Guevara: exactly alike.



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09 Jun 2012, 7:02 pm

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Joker wrote:
I wana a cig 8)


You and Che Guevara: exactly alike.


He is not Irish German or Native American.



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09 Jun 2012, 7:04 pm

He was probably joking~

I share his ethnicity, part of his bone structure, his name, and like the occasional smoke 8O

Viva la revolución! (?)


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09 Jun 2012, 7:10 pm

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Many people see Che Guevara in many different way. some people portray Che as a hero like in Cuba and Argentina while The Miami Cuban community whos lives were destroyed by Castro portray him as a villan. I think Che Guevara is very much like Oliver Cromwell. To the British, Oliver Cromwell was a hero while to the Irish, he was a villan. Please put in your thoughts about Che Guevara.
I am going to go with moron.

I think that his death may as well be the only positive contribution my country has made to the world.


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09 Jun 2012, 7:37 pm

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He was probably joking~

I share his ethnicity, part of his bone structure, his name, and like the occasional smoke 8O

Viva la revolución! (?)


I share the ethnicity of Michael Collins.



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09 Jun 2012, 8:05 pm

I share ethnicity with Martin Luther. And his only "crime" as a revolutionary was his embittered Anti-Semitic writing in later life. But from the way people write about it today, you'd think the old man had transported himself through time to Nazi Germany, and was personally shoving Jews into gas chambers!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer