Suppose we switched from Patriarchy to Matriarchy?

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Is our society Patriarchal or Matriarchal?
Competely patriarchal 20%  20%  [ 7 ]
More patriarchal than matriarchal 51%  51%  [ 18 ]
Neither patriarchal nor matriarchal 20%  20%  [ 7 ]
More matriarchal than patriarchal 9%  9%  [ 3 ]
Completely matriarchal 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 35
31 Oct 2012, 8:30 am

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blackelk wrote:
That's what I say. Feminists want all the freedom and rights that men do, but none of the responsibilities. A man in our society has greater expectations, more responsibility, and less sympathy.


Please send me the address of this magic land.

I'm tired of being expected to work 10-12 hours a day to support myself.

I want some of this free money and the privileged lifestyle all of the other Western women supposedly have.




It's called marriage, bb. If you aren't bad looking there is surely a man out there who will work 10-12 hours a day to support you so long as you spread your legs for him every night after he comes home to nice hot meal prepared by you.



No, most men are pretty useless when it comes to the "Prince Charming" gig.

I've never met a man who was the least bit inclined, or even remotely capable of, supporting me financially. Oh, and most emotionally well-adjusted women have no interest in being whores, mmmkkkay?

Oh, I owe 3K on my car. You're a man, so, are you going to send me a check? Didn't think so.

Personally, I'd rather be a white male teenager living in a Western country. No expectations, no responsibilities, and enough free time to sit around on the internet all day complaining about how oppressed I am because my Mommy didn't buy me any Mountain Dew.



How about about a white teenage girl living in a western country? No expectations, nor responsibilities, and enough free time when you're not at school to whine about how the "patriarchy" is oppressing women just because daddy won't buy you a fancy new car. :P


You're whining about having to support yourself financially like the rest of us despite having a job that pays enough for you to afford internet access. Boo f*cking hoo........GROW UP!



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31 Oct 2012, 11:38 am

With a matriarchy workers will have more free time and won't have to work excessive overtime.



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31 Oct 2012, 11:45 am

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With a matriarchy workers will have more free time and won't have to work excessive overtime.


And with me as the sole dictator of the Earth, workers will have even more free time and won't have to work excessive overtime.

Feminization of the private sector is not a good thing, it kills the ability to compete with countries that do not go through the same process of murdering competitive advantage in their industries. See how well the most gender equal countries in the world (Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland) are doing when it comes to the private sector staying competitive.

Matriarchy is based on a set of premises that do not hold;
1. Everyone is equal.
2. Human beings are inherently good.



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31 Oct 2012, 12:32 pm

The philosophy of overtime is when the machine is down, money is being lost, so get the machine up and running no matter how much it costs to pay the workers overtime. Most workers love overtime because it is an opportunity to make big money but it is not practical to work yourself into the ground by working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and relying on cat napping.

A matriarchal society puts the needs of workers over the needs of profits and approves overtime for true emergencies rather than increased profits. And the matriarchy has to be implemented at the right time. If I follow my wife's advice and demand time off I will get fired but if the company adopts matriarchal values then I won't get fired.



31 Oct 2012, 1:11 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
With a matriarchy workers will have more free time and won't have to work excessive overtime.




I feel dumber every time I read your infantile posts. You see people? It is posters like androbot that compel me to PM Alex and insist that he enable the ability to hide certain members' ret*d babblings. :x



31 Oct 2012, 1:15 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The philosophy of overtime is when the machine is down, money is being lost, so get the machine up and running no matter how much it costs to pay the workers overtime. Most workers love overtime because it is an opportunity to make big money but it is not practical to work yourself into the ground by working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and relying on cat napping.

A matriarchal society puts the needs of workers over the needs of profits and approves overtime for true emergencies rather than increased profits. And the matriarchy has to be implemented at the right time. If I follow my wife's advice and demand time off I will get fired but if the company adopts matriarchal values then I won't get fired.



Sounds like a matriarchal society will be plagued by laziness and nothing will ever get done or accomplished! No wonder patriarchy is the dominant model of social organization.



However, I have a sneaky suspicion that the way matriarchy would actually work is that the men would have to work overtime while the women sat on their pampered, soft behinds indulging themselves.



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31 Oct 2012, 1:55 pm

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the women sat on their pampered, soft behinds


Women's behinds should be soft and pampered. That's the way I like them.



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31 Oct 2012, 2:32 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The philosophy of overtime is when the machine is down, money is being lost, so get the machine up and running no matter how much it costs to pay the workers overtime. Most workers love overtime because it is an opportunity to make big money but it is not practical to work yourself into the ground by working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and relying on cat napping.

A matriarchal society puts the needs of workers over the needs of profits and approves overtime for true emergencies rather than increased profits. And the matriarchy has to be implemented at the right time. If I follow my wife's advice and demand time off I will get fired but if the company adopts matriarchal values then I won't get fired.


So you do realize that the matriarchy you describe is in embryo a social-democracy, something which does in fact exist, and repeatedly has demonstrated that it kills long term competitive advantage in exchange for short-term benefits which cannot be sustained right?

The second a company puts the needs of its workers above profits, I and many other investors starts pulling our money out because the company has stopped existing for the benefit of its capital suppliers and its workers, and started existing purely for it's workers.

I don't mean to be insulting when I say this, but it's the kind of model that tends to be the brainchild of someone with no concept or idea of how private enterprise works, has spent most of their time in a University teaching position within either sociology or psychology and has been "gassed up" by people who are either too cowardly or too intellectually dishonest to call that person on their s**t.

The workers are free to do that when they are the capital suppliers of their own company, but strangely enough the attitude tends to change drastically when that happens.



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31 Oct 2012, 2:32 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
The philosophy of overtime is when the machine is down, money is being lost, so get the machine up and running no matter how much it costs to pay the workers overtime. Most workers love overtime because it is an opportunity to make big money but it is not practical to work yourself into the ground by working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and relying on cat napping.

A matriarchal society puts the needs of workers over the needs of profits and approves overtime for true emergencies rather than increased profits. And the matriarchy has to be implemented at the right time. If I follow my wife's advice and demand time off I will get fired but if the company adopts matriarchal values then I won't get fired.


Would you stop already with your BS utopia? Putting women in charge of everything won't suddenly make everything better. They're just as capable of being cold-hearted as men. You act as though only women are capable of compassion, and that men are capable of everything BUT compassion. Seriously, who is the person who cut your balls off, shoved their hand up your ass, and is now using you as a puppet?

By the way, last time I checked, the philosophy of overtime was "hey look, jimmy called off, and we'll be screwed without him. Can you come into work today to cover for us?" OR... "oh s**t, look at all these orders we have to have shipped out by the end of today. It's gonna be a long shift..."

You act as though all women think about is compassion. Have you ever seen them fight over a potential mate? What about christmas gifts on black friday?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYU5LlE8j0U[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIuaPe0TIUA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARPnvTkCnzE[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_sPSfzGhC4[/youtube]

Yup... women are nothing but compassionate. All the bad things in society today are all men's fault... friggin' idiotic horse s**t. At least a man has the decency not to hit another man in the balls during a fight.



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31 Oct 2012, 2:38 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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the women sat on their pampered, soft behinds


Women's behinds should be soft and pampered. That's the way I like them.


I dunno, I find something much more attractive about a woman who will actually go out and work, as opposed to expecting me to pay for every damn thing. And it's not like working turns her ass into a rock.



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31 Oct 2012, 2:41 pm

DerStadtschutz wrote:
Yup... women are nothing but compassionate. All the bad things in society today are all men's fault... friggin' idiotic horse sh**. At least a man has the decency not to hit another man in the balls during a fight.


You know how the saying goes that behind every great man is a great woman? Usually she's been telling him to beat up/murder people.



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31 Oct 2012, 2:45 pm

TM wrote:
DerStadtschutz wrote:
Yup... women are nothing but compassionate. All the bad things in society today are all men's fault... friggin' idiotic horse sh**. At least a man has the decency not to hit another man in the balls during a fight.


You know how the saying goes that behind every great man is a great woman? Usually she's been telling him to beat up/murder people.


indeed... "Damnit, Abe, why do you let that Jefferson Davis push you around? You need to stand up for yourself and be a MAN!" I could totally see that conversation taking place...

Anyway, here's another video of girls fighting, this one I thought was kinda funny, but it also illustrates something about society that I can't friggin' stand. Two people standing outside in public try to kiss, and everyone around them freaks out and tells them to get a room... EVERY f*****g TIME. BUT... People start throwing punches, and everyone watches, cheers, and even sometimes pays money to see it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHHPcqh0OVA[/youtube]



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31 Oct 2012, 2:58 pm

Evidently, at least two women in West Philadelphia need to read up on the physical concept of "mass".



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31 Oct 2012, 3:23 pm

I don't think these videos are very good examples. Men have fought in horrible wars that make these women look like girl scouts.



31 Oct 2012, 3:40 pm

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I don't think these videos are very good examples. Men have fought in horrible wars that make these women look like girl scouts.




Yup. Women have had the luxury of not being drafted to fight horrible wars throughout most of history. Even now we allow them to serve in the military(despite many rational reasons why they are not nearly as fit for combat as men)but do not subject them to the draft here in the US.



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31 Oct 2012, 3:49 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
I don't think these videos are very good examples. Men have fought in horrible wars that make these women look like girl scouts.


Most of the time the men did that in order to protect or better provide for the women in question. Or arguably to attract more women which then would result in more reproductive opportunity.

One of the rather big ironies of the world we live in, is that women are both the cause of everything bad that has happened and everything good that has happened. Without men seeking to get laid we'd get no wars, no conflict, no ambition, but as a result we wouldn't have had science, technology and progress.