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22 Oct 2013, 5:52 am

^ to a point I agree with you, but we are dealing with young minds here, we are dealing with possible life long consequences. The fact is and I repeat teachers hold a significant place in a child's life, they wield considerable power and influence, they have the ability to exercise predatory coercion. You simply cannot allow for a case by case judgement on this issue. Too many kids would potentially be hurt and it would allow a new avenue for predators to gain access to victims.

Not only this but laws strictly governing contact between students and teachers not only protect the kids. Teachers like all humans can be vulnerable and can also be predated upon by kids. A firm line of demarcation can help prevent all kinds of unwanted consequences.


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22 Oct 2013, 6:01 am

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^ to a point I agree with you, but we are dealing with young minds here, we are dealing with possible life long consequences. The fact is and I repeat teachers hold a significant place in a child's life, they wield considerable power and influence, they have the ability to exercise predatory coercion. You simply cannot allow for a case by case judgement on this issue. Too many kids would potentially be hurt and it would allow a new avenue for predators to gain access to victims.

Not only this but laws strictly governing contact between students and teachers not only protect the kids. Teachers like all humans can be vulnerable and can also be predated upon by kids. A firm line of demarcation can help prevent all kinds of unwanted consequences.


Yes, one has to look at it from various perspectives, including the limitations of the law.

I agree that younger minds are more likely to be victimized than older minds, but that if the law was perfect, it would have allowed for case by case in order not to impose punishments too harsh for something that doesn't warrant such harshness.



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22 Oct 2013, 6:17 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
A firm line of demarcation can help prevent all kinds of unwanted consequences.


...in addition to wanted consequences....



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22 Oct 2013, 6:22 am

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Comments on blogs do not amount to scientific data, they are anecdotal. Different people may experience sexual abuse differently, and the fact there are some adults saying that they "wished" that they were the boy, doesn't mean that they would feel the same way if it happened to them. You have to actually get the official position of psychologists, especially child psychologists who have specialised in this, order to get an informed view on the issue. Comments on blogs don't count.


Actually, someone was previously telling us to search the internet for anecdotes from people who felt that they had been traumatized by early sexual experiences with teachers. Now, if we find anecdotes from people whose experiences were different, they "don't count?"



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22 Oct 2013, 6:40 am

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What people in this thread don't seem to realise is while an incident like this may not be traumatising at the time, for both boys and girls, it can effect them psychologically later on in life. Simply put, they may not be mature enough to understand what they are getting into and it may scar them later on. Even if the boy brags about it now, it doesn't mean that he'll feel the same way about in 10 years time.


If, at the age of 24, a man is suddenly feeling traumatized by a sexual encounter with his teacher 10 years earlier (and which made him feel good at the time), then, at the age of 24, he is in charge of, and responsible for, his own feelings.

Most WrongPlanet members probably experienced some severely traumatizing experiences during high school and beyond. For the gents at least, getting a bit of sex now and then would probably be among our more pleasant memories.



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22 Oct 2013, 6:53 am

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Yes, one has to look at it from various perspectives, including the limitations of the law.

I agree that younger minds are more likely to be victimized than older minds, but that if the law was perfect, it would have allowed for case by case in order not to impose punishments too harsh for something that doesn't warrant such harshness.


And exactly how does "doing it case for case" afterward it already happened, help preventing the cases, where harsh punishment were deserved? So if there is a case with a bad result, how does harsh punishing for the guilty, undo what happened?



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22 Oct 2013, 6:54 am

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Jono wrote:
Comments on blogs do not amount to scientific data, they are anecdotal. Different people may experience sexual abuse differently, and the fact there are some adults saying that they "wished" that they were the boy, doesn't mean that they would feel the same way if it happened to them. You have to actually get the official position of psychologists, especially child psychologists who have specialised in this, order to get an informed view on the issue. Comments on blogs don't count.


Actually, someone was previously telling us to search the internet for anecdotes from people who felt that they had been traumatized by early sexual experiences with teachers. Now, if we find anecdotes from people whose experiences were different, they "don't count?"


I didn't ask you to search for comments on blogs, I asked you to search for websites of support groups for male survivors of sexual abuse and look at the information on them.



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22 Oct 2013, 7:15 am

Hey, Jono, theoretical question:

Let's say you have an adult sibling/loved one who got involved in a scandal similar to this with a teenager (no feeling of abuse reported from the teenager and the teenager is actually fine with what happened) and he/she got caught by the authorities, would you make sure he/she gets punished by law and, if so, what is a fair punishment for such a case?



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22 Oct 2013, 7:30 am

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Hey, Jono, theoretical question:

Let's say you have an adult sibling/loved one who got involved in a scandal similar to this with a teenager (no feeling of abuse reported from the teenager and the teenager is actually fine with what happened) and he/she got caught by the authorities, would you make sure he/she gets punished by law and, if so, what is a fair punishment for such a case?


What kind of question is that? I would've hoped that a close family member of mine wouldn't sexually abuse a child, and if they are guilty, they should be punished by law for the same reason as if they were involved in any other crime. It would be up to the court to decide the sentence. I'd also have to apologise to the family of the victim.



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22 Oct 2013, 7:37 am

Wow, ok. So no mercy whatsoever even if your loved one explained to what went on exactly and that he/she was sucked into it and didn't actually abuse the teenager.

Ok, whatever you say. You'd rock the Inquisition world, that's for sure.



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22 Oct 2013, 7:43 am

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DentArthurDent wrote:
A firm line of demarcation can help prevent all kinds of unwanted consequences.


...in addition to wanted consequences....



Such wit, such rapier like repartee :roll: :roll:


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22 Oct 2013, 7:46 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
A firm line of demarcation can help prevent all kinds of unwanted consequences.


...in addition to wanted consequences....



Such wit, such rapier like repartee :roll: :roll:


Thank you. 8)



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22 Oct 2013, 7:48 am

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ArrantPariah wrote:
Jono wrote:
Comments on blogs do not amount to scientific data, they are anecdotal. Different people may experience sexual abuse differently, and the fact there are some adults saying that they "wished" that they were the boy, doesn't mean that they would feel the same way if it happened to them. You have to actually get the official position of psychologists, especially child psychologists who have specialised in this, order to get an informed view on the issue. Comments on blogs don't count.


Actually, someone was previously telling us to search the internet for anecdotes from people who felt that they had been traumatized by early sexual experiences with teachers. Now, if we find anecdotes from people whose experiences were different, they "don't count?"


I didn't ask you to search for comments on blogs, I asked you to search for websites of support groups for male survivors of sexual abuse and look at the information on them.


And, those are the only search results that count?



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22 Oct 2013, 7:51 am

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Wow, ok. So no mercy whatsoever even if your loved one explained to what went on exactly and that he/she was sucked into it and didn't actually abuse the teenager.

Ok, whatever you say. You'd rock the Inquisition world, that's for sure.


The question you had just asked me was like me asking you if you had thought one of your close male family members should be punished if he was arrested by the authorities for raping a woman. Would you?



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22 Oct 2013, 7:56 am

MCalavera wrote:
Hey, Jono, theoretical question:

Let's say you have an adult sibling/loved one who got involved in a scandal similar to this with a teenager (no feeling of abuse reported from the teenager and the teenager is actually fine with what happened) and he/she got caught by the authorities, would you make sure he/she gets punished by law and, if so, what is a fair punishment for such a case?


Do you think, that if your sister drove double as fast as the speed limit is, in your country, that it would be unfair to sue her for driving double as fast as allowed, because out of luck, noone was harmed?



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22 Oct 2013, 8:00 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
Jono wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Jono wrote:
Comments on blogs do not amount to scientific data, they are anecdotal. Different people may experience sexual abuse differently, and the fact there are some adults saying that they "wished" that they were the boy, doesn't mean that they would feel the same way if it happened to them. You have to actually get the official position of psychologists, especially child psychologists who have specialised in this, order to get an informed view on the issue. Comments on blogs don't count.


Actually, someone was previously telling us to search the internet for anecdotes from people who felt that they had been traumatized by early sexual experiences with teachers. Now, if we find anecdotes from people whose experiences were different, they "don't count?"


I didn't ask you to search for comments on blogs, I asked you to search for websites of support groups for male survivors of sexual abuse and look at the information on them.


And, those are the only search results that count?


This goes for anything, if you are doing a Google search to get an informed view of something, then certain sources count more than others, yes. In this case, if it's a choice between what experts say and what a few random commenters say blogs, I'd have to go with the experts.