Is anybody tired of Obama or the Democrats?

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You'll find that many conservatives are against the Patriot act.

Liberals by name are supposed to be all about liberty and freedom but they seem to be very selective in what liberties and freedoms they want us to practice.

Conservatives gave us the Patriot act. You conservatives f****d up our freedom, just like you f****d up our economy. Then you try to twist it around and say it was Democrats that did it. Don't waste your breath. Everybody knows who was responsible. You can't change history that easy.

Let's try and calm down here, please. Keep it civil.

I think it was my second sentence that he didn't address that set him off with the ranting and F-bombs.
I guess it kinda hit too close to home.

Yeah, a decade after it mattered.



There has been much more pushback against some of Obama's more egregious, NDA and PRISM type actions from left-liberals (i.e. folks in the Congressional Progressive Caucus) than there was from right-libertarians (if there were any) in Congress under Dubya.

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Maybe, but the right has never made their platform out of human rights to the extent the left has. Well, only the rights that suit them.....

No it's conservatives like you who create all of these problems, then try to blame Democrats for them that sets off my ranting and F-bombs. You people are unbelievable.

Lets review:

I can make charts, too.
Knowing that my being a conservative bothers you that much only adds luster to the conservativeness I already enjoy.

I like how you got halfway through that sentence before realizing that right-wing policy not favoring human rights is a bad thing that reflects poorly on you, so you made sure to add that the left-wing doesn't support ALL the human rights.

How you misjudge me, my dear liberal, to think I care that much that the right doesn't pretend nearly as hard to dote on "human rights" as the left does.
Even if we were blatantly anti-human rights I'd find a way to enjoy the notoriety and resentment.

You are aware, aren't you, that presidents tend to appoint people? Presidents in general, not just Democrats, and not just Obama? And that the filibuster was being used by Republicans to block *normal* appointments?

When their pro forma sessions last for exactly 10 minutes every three days with the publicly stated intent of blocking nominations, I have trouble seeing that group claiming the moral high ground.

The SCOTUS is indeed going to hear one of the cases (out of the dozens filed by conservative groups and politicians). It will be interesting to see the outcome. If the action is found to be legal, then it will shift some of the imbalance of power betweeen the legislative and executive branches. It would be a game changer in the long term.

If it is found to be illegal, then that leads to a whole heaping mess. That means that all of the cases heard and investigated by the NLRB during that time period will be invalidated (including those where compensation was paid to mistreated employees and penalties assessed against employers who tried to bend the law). I'm not quite sure how that would work, but it will be another mess for the Republicans to use as a weapon of mass distraction. It would not affect who is currently on the board, though.

I guess that is the highest priority right now, isn't it? I suppose it must be more important to spend the time and effort on president bashing than to spend time and effort on hunger, poverty, civil rights abuses, deteriorating foreign relations, tax reform, political corruption, fraud investigations, a still fragile economy, wage issues, education reform, judicial reform, our overseas military actions and presence, our dwindling fresh water supply, continued environmental deterioration, and wage stagnation and decline.

Maybe we should hold another half dozen Benghazi hearings and vote to repeal the PPACA a few more times while we're at it.

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The right has made it part of their platform to protect the rights of Christians, white people, men, and Republicans, with a shaky record even in that respect.

The left has a history of proclaiming their concern over human rights for all, but tend to focus only on the most visible at any given time while putting the rest on the back burner.

Neither side does well when it comes to acting in the best interests of anyone other than themselves and their financial backers, no matter what they claim.

Yes, we're quite awful aren't we?
I'd discuss it further but I've gotta finish polishing my boots for tonight's book burning in the town square.

Just for clarification, this post of mine was more about the leadership of the two extremes, not the individual voters. So unless you are are/were in a prominent position within your party's leadership, I wasn't talking about you.

Some excellent points here

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/opini ... 40224&_r=0