The Gun Culture is Somewhat In Denial About Gun Safety.

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You seem to have missed the point that I generally support the status quo. However, I am against so-called "stand your ground" laws because they are tantamount to legalized murder and thoroughly asinine, thus my hatred for the NRA's fanclub.

I support true stand your ground, like, if someone is in your home and about to harm you you can defend yourself and not face a penalty. I am all for self defense but I also recognize, if someone is trained and skilled enough, they can probably harm you even if you think you are secure.

People must have the right to fight back.

Sounds like several threads I have tried to start elsewhere, where I attempted to explain the role of law enforcement initiatives in curbing gun violence. You cannot have a discussion on this general topic without there being more discussion and grandstanding around the topic of gun politics. It is an asinine holy war that will ultimately make about as much sense as the war over the name of what is currently called Israel.

There's really no point because people are going to have guns. I think the problem is, a handful of women choose weapons they can easily utilize in an emergency then they get somewhat careless about their storage.

That is the true topic of this thread.

Oh, insult away, just try and make them accurate insults, I hate ignorance. I also didn't say anything about creating a rout, I was observing the simple fact of it. Double also, you're attacking me personally and not my points, not usually the harbinger of a strong argument. I've laid out my position, attack that if you think I'm wrong.

There's really no point because people are going to have guns. I think the problem is, a handful of women choose weapons they can easily utilize in an emergency then they get somewhat careless about their storage.

That is the true topic of this thread.

Do not insult on this thread and try to talk about gun safety issues. I would appreciate it.

We have to think, lives could be at stake. What if someone is in a similar situation and happens upon this topic and then puts their gun in a better location or something similar that ends up sparing them a calamity?

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Maybe you should stop following the news so closely, or at least do so less selectively.


Small children die of all kinds of causes to include poisoning, falls, electrocution, drowning, vehicular accidents, illness, abuse, medical malpractice, etc....
The comparative few that die from a bullet are not any more dead then from other causes.


No, my guns are as secure as they need to be. I secure my guns primarily to safeguard against theft. Personally, I consider carrying a handgun in a purse to be dumber than hell but I'm not willing to pass a law that gives the cops and the courts something else to use to screw with people.


What's the legal definition of a "light trigger"?
You're so far over your head here that you'll need 10X binoculars just to see the sky.


You started this thread knowing from experience how it would pan out so whatever happens you bear at least partial responsibility for.

Raptor,

Not sure if there is a legal definition of a light trigger. One that two year olds can pull? In these two cases, the guns belonged to women so they could have chosen ones that are easier to fire because women are like that, sometimes, and they want to be prepared.

And as far as your guns are concerned, if they are in a good location, fine, this topic isn't really about you. It's for those people that carry their guns in their purses or leave them loaded on the coffee table with kids around.

So, are you backing away from your claim that "the first gun control laws were actually promoted by the NRA in order to keep black people from owning guns"? The NRA has always advocated states' rights even when some states choose to restrict the firearm rights of minorities (something that the founders of the NRA abhorred). Individuals within the NRA would certainly have their opinions about race especially in the Reconstructionist South. State governments and their elected officials would similarly have their opinions. But, when it comes to the NRA as its own institution, I believe that the evidence shows how its earliest leaders were quite accommodating to their black members particularly at a time when Jim Crow laws were adopted.

While on this subtopic, I should point out that the current NRA includes top-gun Chris Cheng https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cheng who is its openly gay commentator and spokesman. Other, non-NRA, Second Amendment groups include African American Hunting Association LLC, Amendment II Democrats, Armed Liberals, Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership, Oregon Democratic Gun Owners Caucus, Pink Pistols and Women Against Gun Control, among many other non-traditional firearm groups. My own Stonewall Shooting Sports of Utah continues to be one of the largest LGBT Second Amendment groups in the United States.

I choose to view the NRA and other groups by what they do today.

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They are called "castle laws," but they are a far cry from laws that allow someone to walk after stalking and then shooting an unarmed teenager.

I actually see a hatchet as a more effective defensive weapon in close quarters. I have both a hatchet and a Colt revolver, and I am more likely to reach for the bladed weapon if invaded.

I understand your anger and concern, however, this topic isn't about those types of laws. I know you dislike them and think they are dangerous and want to express your concern but I want to talk about gun safety issues. You can start a thread on Stand Your Ground if you like.

Your use of the phrasing "backing away" is intentionally provocative, and it is a fact, not merely a claim.

Here is a good article discussing it.

The only way to address your concerns here is to say that s**t happens. I know someone whose wife actually ran over herself with her own car, believe it or not. It did not make the news. One two year old capping his/her mother with her own handgun is a local tragedy at best and worthy of nothing more.

None of that has anything to do with this. I would say to these people to be cognizant of where their weapon is as much as possible. Nobody's perfect but just think about what's at stake. Once that bullet goes into your head that's it. There's no going back. So think about that.

Trying to breath life back into the Treyvon Martin / George Zimmerman fiasco are we? Between when it happened and the trail and then some we hashed that out for months here. Go back and look them up. As I recall, the gun haters, race baiters, and protectionists in general seem to have had their asses handed to them again.


Depends on the scenario and the skill of the user. Some people cannot hit even the ground with a handgun and would be better off with a hatchet.