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19 Jun 2015, 5:27 am

I will come back to the Hitler/Nazi stuff on another day after I do more re-analysis/research/studying on the subject (I have seen the movie "Europa! Europa!" but I have not personally seen nor met the director/author, nor have I been there personally, therefore I cannot say from personal-witness as to the accuracy/authenticity of the story but it was interesting none-the-less, a movie about a Jew who got captured by the Nazi-military, managed to somehow miraculously hide the fact that he was Jew after being recruited into the Nazi-military, and was allied with both Nazi and Russian forces, due to being able to speak both German and Russian, although eventually being found out by one of the military Nazi-members, but that particular Nazi decided to help protect this particular Jew, eventually escaping during a battle from his former Nazi-allies over to his Russian-allies, and then later on in his life making it over to America in order to produce this movie & being able to pee freely at the end without worrying that he might end up being killed due to being seen as someone who was circumcised), perhaps in another thread, but for now, more of that "fake planes 9/11" stuff to add to thread-topic.

P.S.: I used to frequent some on-line communities where I used to use a Jewish-sounding name, although I didn't know it at the time, and in other cases where I didn't realise that I was mistakenly presenting myself in such a manner to where I would end up being mistaken for a Jew, but I can tell you from personal-experience that there are factually a number of areas/regions/cultures in the world who still factually hate Jews & I was most-certainly on the receiving end of a hell of a lot of hate (I suppose it's something similar along the lines to how certain regions of extreme radical-Muslims or otherwise hate all of the Christian within and around their surrounding regions, etc., but I digress, racism most-certainly still does exist in some places, some more so than others, such as how Alabama-state still has a a lot of tensions between their racial-whites & racial non-whites [particularly against the racial-blacks]).

Note how the video-title is "fake" planes. Does that make it possible that what people saw that day where not necessarily "real" planes but "fake" planes crashing into the buildings ? Perhaps they were something like missiles in the shape of planes ? What about all of the witnesses or at least family members who say that their family members were on said planes & they died/disappeared that day ? What I am seriously thinking is that aliens & time-travelers are involved with that 9/11 incident (aliens abducting family-members from planes in order to coincide with people attributing the real planes/flights as having crashed whilst simultaneously sending the fake plane-shaped missile-drones into the WTF & pulverising it completely with a high-energy micro-wave laser-powered satellite-weapon).

I don't really know what these aliens would be up to or what their purpose of concocting such an elaborate scheme to instigate the 9/11 incident would be but I suspect that it has something to do with their attempts at some kind of time-reversal (hard for me to figure out how explain at this time but it's like they're pulling off all of these stunts due to being desperate about something). Although they may not necessarily be aliens, but rather, some kind of extremely high-level self-developed A.I. (artificial-intelligence) that has the capacity to be a modern-day Corporate-HAL-9000, except with factorial-folds-times the capabilities of what had been portrayed in the movie that depicted said HAL9000.


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19 Jun 2015, 9:01 am

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Note how the video-title is "fake" planes. Does that make it possible that what people saw that day where not necessarily "real" planes but "fake" planes crashing into the buildings ?
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19 Jun 2015, 10:57 am

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NobleWolf2041889 has been banned for trolling with pro nazi propaganda, now please let's return to the topic.


If I might play Devil's Advocate here, I'd like to make the obvious reminder that this is a forum frequented by people with ASDs. What you viewed as trolling looked a lot like an unchecked obsession to me. If you're going to post your views on Hitler, positive or otherwise, this would be the logical forum in which to do so.

If you're banning him primarily for the pro nazi aspect then you're banning unpopular speech, which is somewhat concerning for me.



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19 Jun 2015, 11:27 am

adifferentname wrote:
Booyakasha wrote:
NobleWolf2041889 has been banned for trolling with pro nazi propaganda, now please let's return to the topic.


If I might play Devil's Advocate here, I'd like to make the obvious reminder that this is a forum frequented by people with ASDs. What you viewed as trolling looked a lot like an unchecked obsession to me. If you're going to post your views on Hitler, positive or otherwise, this would be the logical forum in which to do so.

If you're banning him primarily for the pro nazi aspect then you're banning unpopular speech, which is somewhat concerning for me.
holocaust denial isn't merely 'unpopular speech', nor is painting a genocidal meth addict in a positive light. you've clearly not actually read his posts.



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19 Jun 2015, 11:52 am

adifferentname wrote:
Booyakasha wrote:
NobleWolf2041889 has been banned for trolling with pro nazi propaganda, now please let's return to the topic.


If I might play Devil's Advocate here, I'd like to make the obvious reminder that this is a forum frequented by people with ASDs. What you viewed as trolling looked a lot like an unchecked obsession to me. If you're going to post your views on Hitler, positive or otherwise, this would be the logical forum in which to do so.

If you're banning him primarily for the pro nazi aspect then you're banning unpopular speech, which is somewhat concerning for me.


It is up Alex and the moderators in his employ to decide what speech is acceptable on the forum he created. As Alex decides this he has to weigh the competing values of censoring is bad vs understanding the forum is populated by "fragile" people not only with ASD's but co-morbid depression, suicidal etc.


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19 Jun 2015, 11:59 am

Fugu wrote:
holocaust denial isn't merely 'unpopular speech', nor is painting a genocidal meth addict in a positive light. you've clearly not actually read his posts.


Holocaust denial and being pro Hitler might make a person bigoted tool, but unless that person actually abuses someone on the basis of (e.g) race, he's guilty of exactly that - unpopular speech. He's entitled to his opinions, however misguided. You've clearly not read or not understood the forum rules.

I see the Bible quoted here by people who believe that homosexuality is immoral and wrong. Their bigoted views are overlooked precisely because they don't explicitly target anybody with homophobic slurs.



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19 Jun 2015, 12:02 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
It is up Alex and the moderators in his employ to decide what speech is acceptable on the forum he created. As Alex decides this he has to weigh the competing values of censoring is bad vs understanding the forum is populated by "fragile" people not only with ASD's but co-morbid depression, suicidal etc.


That's missing the point entirely, ASPartOfMe. Alex - and by extension his mods - is perfectly within his rights to run the site however he wants. That isn't being disputed. If part of that is banning people on the grounds of unpopular speech from PPR, it's time for me to consider finding a new site to discuss issues on.



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19 Jun 2015, 12:10 pm

Fugu wrote:
holocaust denial isn't merely 'unpopular speech', nor is painting a genocidal meth addict in a positive light. you've clearly not actually read his posts.

Neal Boortz wrote:
"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."

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19 Jun 2015, 12:29 pm

AspieUtah wrote:
Fugu wrote:
holocaust denial isn't merely 'unpopular speech', nor is painting a genocidal meth addict in a positive light. you've clearly not actually read his posts.

Neal Boortz wrote:
"Free speech is meant to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech, by definition, needs no protection."

--Neal Boortz
thanks for the edifying quote from a person who thinks the fair tax is a good idea, that ADD/ADHD is fake and that public schooling is child abuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Neal_Bo ... dio_career



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19 Jun 2015, 12:31 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Fugu wrote:
holocaust denial isn't merely 'unpopular speech', nor is painting a genocidal meth addict in a positive light. you've clearly not actually read his posts.


Holocaust denial and being pro Hitler might make a person bigoted tool, but unless that person actually abuses someone on the basis of (e.g) race, he's guilty of exactly that - unpopular speech. He's entitled to his opinions, however misguided. You've clearly not read or not understood the forum rules.

I see the Bible quoted here by people who believe that homosexuality is immoral and wrong. Their bigoted views are overlooked precisely because they don't explicitly target anybody with homophobic slurs.
is denying the suffering of all the people who died under Hitler's thumb abusive? is making a mockery of all that happened abusive?



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19 Jun 2015, 12:35 pm

First of all, discussion of the banned members is against the rules. Second, this thread seems to have gone off topic again.

If anyone has any questions, suggestions or criticisms, feel free to PM me. Thread locked.