Is Shariah law really such an awful thing?

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06 Aug 2016, 3:49 pm

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... and that you - by extension - won't lift a finger to deal with even the worst atrocities, as long as they don't affect Westerners...

Quite frankly, not even ALL Westerners!! I only have enough room on my plate, to be FULLY concerned about Americans!! I can't be that concerned about other peoples / countries when my OWN people are hurting so badly, every day; standing in bread lines, so-to-speak; getting shot-to-death, everyday, etc.

Don't get me wrong, I HATE when terrible things happen to ANYBODY----for instance, that rape thing that you were talking about; my heart SCREAMED for them, their hurt, the injustice of it all----but, every time another country sneezes and the U.S. feels they have to be there to wipe their little noseys, just makes my blood boil because of the terrible things that are going-on, in THIS country!! I, whole-heartedly, believe-in "Clean-up your OWN backyard, FIRST"! !

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06 Aug 2016, 7:39 pm

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Do you?

I asked first.

Under our current system of government, where there is separation of church and state, the answer is an emphatic NO. There isn't much we can do about implementing religious law in countries other than our own, save for trade and diplomatic pressures.

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06 Aug 2016, 9:03 pm

Spiderpig wrote:

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Do you?

I asked first.

Well religious law in this country violates the constitution, so even if the majority wanted it, which I don't think is the case they'd have to change the first amendment and I hear that is a pretty long and tedious process.

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07 Aug 2016, 12:21 am

All right. I don't want a theocracy, but I don't think this would matter much if most people did want one.

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07 Aug 2016, 12:56 am

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All right. I don't want a theocracy, but I don't think this would matter much if most people did want one.

What about the rest of us who wouldn't want a theocracy? What happens to us?

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07 Aug 2016, 1:14 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

What about the rest of us who wouldn't want a theocracy? What happens to us?

you're screwed

which is pretty much what happens. majority rule is a tricky illusion of representativeness. effective democracy in large societies has to be more complex than just that

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07 Aug 2016, 1:36 am

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What about the rest of us who wouldn't want a theocracy? What happens to us?

you're screwed

which is pretty much what happens. majority rule is a tricky illusion of representativeness. effective democracy in large societies has to be more complex than just that

Agreed.

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07 Aug 2016, 2:00 am

If there were more people opposing the theocracy, we'd probably still be defeated and burned at the stake as heretics, but, at least, we'd have a better chance to go down in history with a bit of dignity, rather than as a lone villainous lunatic who thought he could corrupt the true faith of the masses and got his just deserts by being crushed like a bug.

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07 Aug 2016, 7:07 pm

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There is no way the first amendment will be repealed.

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07 Aug 2016, 8:56 pm

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Nope...I don't think you'd want to live under that sort of regime.

The regime in Turkey sucks. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are not revered like they are in the US and most of western Europe. You can get in trouble for protesting or publicly insulting politicians. It sucks, but you're safe as long as you keep your politics behind closed doors.

Its also far from a theocracy. Turkish Islamism is more about flag waving than imposing religious law. It's pseudo-Ottoman patriotism. It's similar to the US Christian flag waving in the US (US conservatives like to assert without evidence that the US is a "Christian Nation"). That kind of religious rallying was banned under the Kemalist government, but is now allowed. Previously there was forced secularism to a degree that would go against the first amendment in the US.

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07 Aug 2016, 9:53 pm

Yes, it's a terrible thing and anyone advocating it or just ignoring it should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

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07 Aug 2016, 11:01 pm

...double post

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07 Aug 2016, 11:02 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:

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There is no way the first amendment will be repealed.

Exactly my point, hence why it wouldn't matter if the majority did want religious law...that amendment isn't getting appealed so too bad for people who like theocracy.

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08 Aug 2016, 1:39 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

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There is no way the first amendment will be repealed.

Exactly my point, hence why it wouldn't matter if the majority did want religious law...that amendment isn't getting appealed so too bad for people who like theocracy.

So the laws against abortion, the laws against teaching sex education, etc. will be promoted.

And individual states may want religious law in their states. If a conservative super majority in Congress is followed by a conservative SCOTUS then things will change for a lot of people, and this could include the 1st Amendment.

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08 Aug 2016, 1:44 pm

ZenDen wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

There is no way the first amendment will be repealed.

Exactly my point, hence why it wouldn't matter if the majority did want religious law...that amendment isn't getting appealed so too bad for people who like theocracy.

The religions people in those states might want that, but it violates freedom of religion... laws respecting establisment of a specific religion or upholding religious morals are unconstitutional. Anyone who wants to go against that is an enemy of the constitution in my opinion.

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08 Aug 2016, 1:52 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

ZenDen wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

BaalChatzaf wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

There is no way the first amendment will be repealed.

Exactly my point, hence why it wouldn't matter if the majority did want religious law...that amendment isn't getting appealed so too bad for people who like theocracy.

And I agree.

But religious laws will AND ARE being written. The result will be misery for many and further destruction of what's left of our Democracy.

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