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07 Dec 2016, 7:22 pm

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The typical English rendering of one of the Mosaic commandments is "thou shalt not kill" but according to Hebrew scholars, this is a poor translation that leads people into confused thinking.

The same system of commandments requires that the faithful kill transgressors of various rules (e.g., sorceresses.)

A more precise English translation is "thou shalt not murder" with murder understood to be unlawful killing.

Given a system that recognizes lawful and unlawful killing and that defines the will of God as the source of law, the idea that God can be accused of murder is untenable.

If Christians do not see God's genocide of man as evil, then they cannot condemn Hitler and his ilk for doing less than what they forgive their God for doing. Especially given that God can cure with the same effort.

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07 Dec 2016, 7:26 pm

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but if death isn't inherently evil, what about the death of a child?
sorry if the question is not on topic

I come up with the question because I have here a book of A. Platonov, "Tsevengur". It is about communist Russia, a book from the 1930's. They have abolished Christianity. Now they have Communism. But they have a problem with mortality. Not mortality as such, but in the book a child is sick, very sick, and dies. And they try, but fail, and then one of the Communists replies: "well, as a result of Communism it lived a day longer than it would without". But of course they know it's nonsense

The problem with all this postulation is it's trying to just isolate the dying child and God from all the rest of the world and make conclusions based just on that, but you can't, because everything is interconnected.

Good point for a change.

So tell us why God would kill one of his connected parts instead of curing it?

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07 Dec 2016, 7:30 pm

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The burden of proof lies on theists, as they are the ones making an extraordinary claim (i.e. a supernatural, omnipotent being is responsible for the universe). It's an unfalsifiable claim though, so it does not even work as a truth claim and cannot be examined in a logical or scientific manner.

Nope.

1. Saying God doesn't exist is as much of a claim as saying he does. To not make a claim is to be agnostic.

Yours is a logical fallacy as it is impossible to prove negative claims.

That is why it is the onus of the one making the positive claim of God existing to make his case.

For any to try to reverse that onus shows intellectual and moral dissonance as it is trying to cover a lie by shifting the onus.

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Nope. It's not impossible to prove negative claims, there are plenty of negative claims which it's perfectly possible to prove, like the nonexistence of four sides triangles. ]

Have you looked in the whole universe?

If not, like the God of the Gaps, that is where that 4 sided triangle resides and awaits a new designation.

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07 Dec 2016, 7:43 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:

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Finally you reply, and you STILL failed to actually explain what the hell you were referring to. Burden of prove is on your to prove God kill's more people than Satan.

If you know so little of what your bible says, then there is nothing I can tell you.

Perhaps these people can.

https://vimeo.com/7038401

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I've read the entire bible from cover to cover. This issue isn't that I don't know what the bible says, it's that you suck at theology. No, I'm not going to watch your video, because you should be able to make your argument yourself, not resort on having someone do it for you.

(Also, I never said your claim that God's kill count is higher than Satan's is wrong, as from the position that Satan is powerless it is, but you still have the burden of proof, I can't debate you if there is nothing to be debated)

If powerless, then how could Satan, as the talking serpent, deceive Eve?

You are correct in that we have little to debate as you are not up to the task.

As you would say, give proof that you are and we can proceed.

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I said "from the position that Satan is powerless". Since you have rejected that position, you must now reject your claim that God has killed more people than Satan. Also, generally people mean satan has no power to manipulate matter directly, but has the power to tempt people to sin.

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07 Dec 2016, 7:44 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:

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Nope.

1. Saying God doesn't exist is as much of a claim as saying he does. To not make a claim is to be agnostic.

Nope. It's not impossible to prove negative claims, there are plenty of negative claims which it's perfectly possible to prove, like the nonexistence of four sides triangles. ]

Have you looked in the whole universe?

If not, like the God of the Gaps, that is where that 4 sided triangle resides and awaits a new designation.

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Nope. You just failed at both empiricism and rationalism, as both camps would agree a 4 sided triangle cannot exist because it's a contradictory analytical proposition. I already discussed this with AJ, and he was MUCH better at this than you were. It's not my fault if you ignore the entire rest of the thread just to stroke your ego.

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07 Dec 2016, 7:45 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:

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Good point for a change.

So tell us why God would kill one of his connected parts instead of curing it?

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I cannot answer that question as I do not know all the parts in play.

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07 Dec 2016, 7:47 pm

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Except there is nothing in the golden rule about murder.

Huh? I think there is as it covers all such situations.

Should God do "murder" unto others, when God, whether he can die or not, would not want himself "murdered"?

You can replace murdered above with just about anything evil as well as most good things.

That is why such reciprocity rules are so important and widespread.

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Prove God doesn't want to be murdered. Those of us who are actually interested in discussing things rather than just making sophist assertions already discussed this.

More inane garbage.

Prove that any healthy living creature or thing has a death wish.

You do not want to discuss. You want to waste my time.

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...there is no way to respond to this post, it's just that wrong. Anyway who has any experience with the world and has read the rest of this thread can see for themselves how wrong you are.

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09 Dec 2016, 1:44 pm

Are you suggesting that I ignore all the damage that religions have done and continue to do with their homophobic and misogynous ways?

You do understand that religions have NOTHING to do with some believed God, right?

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10 Dec 2016, 4:42 pm

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...Christians talk out of both sides of their mouth when saying death is not so bad, yet they will kill abortion doctors for doing what they said is not bad...

You can't take what half a dozen fanatics have done in the name of Christ and say that is what Christians do. See the bell curve. Christians everywhere but on the extreme end of that curve--which you might call the fanatic psychopath end--would condemn the murder of an abortion doctor just as we would condemn terrorists bombing a church or a government building or a mosque.

As for proving that God wants to be murdered?

God was murdered. He came to earth in the form of the Man Jesus Christ and was murdered on a Roman cross after three mock trials with inaccurate trumped-up accusations, and it was what He wanted. It was His plan of redemption to be crucified for the sins of the world.

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11 Dec 2016, 6:41 pm

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Sure.

But you do understand that the religious have been the majority forever and that they are homophobic and misogynous. Right?

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11 Dec 2016, 6:47 pm

LyraLuthTinu wrote:

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...Christians talk out of both sides of their mouth when saying death is not so bad, yet they will kill abortion doctors for doing what they said is not bad...

So you think that God would condemn the world he created, and then would turn around and die to rescind that judgement, instead of rescinding it without his suicide.

How can you believe such bull s**t?

Further. Please tell me what you think of the following.

As Ingersoll said; 'no man would be fit for heaven who would consent that an innocent person should suffer for his sin.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9g ... gest-vrecs

Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Do you agree?

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12 Dec 2016, 5:54 pm

But you do understand that the religious have been the majority forever and that they are homophobic and misogynous. Right?

Yes, I do, but what's your point in stating the obvious?

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12 Dec 2016, 10:41 pm

Can someone PLEASE delete this forum? Because this is created by anti-theists who are just making asses out of themselves believing everyone should hate God. Seriously, this is just ridiculous.

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Can someone PLEASE delete this forum? Because this is created by anti-theists who are just making asses out of themselves believing everyone should hate God. Seriously, this is just ridiculous.

Priceless.

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UncannyDanny wrote:

Can someone PLEASE delete this forum? Because this is created by anti-theists who are just making asses out of themselves believing everyone should hate God. Seriously, this is just ridiculous.

Priceless.

Well, I mean, sure many people from a long time ago used think that women and LGTB people are considered 'lesser' than straight men. However, from the type of Christianity I come from, there were women who worked as priests, and there were a gay couple who were just as religious as I was. And we treat them with respect because they are good people!

See, the real problem is NOT GOD HIMSELF, but the people who happen to take things the wrong way (not just in religion, but anything in general), and are deluding themselves because of it! And you guys who made this forum are not being any better!

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12 Dec 2016, 11:18 pm

I think if people have a criticism of religion they're better off dealing with a current and relevant social issue and discussing where things like human rights or various practicalities of modern life are circumvented by particularly rigid traditions in one way or another.

Threads like these seem to just lampoon as cultural criticism.

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