So when does being a 'leftist' become a crime?

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I addressed the argument as baloney. If everyone could climb out of poverty who would be doing the minimum wage jobs? I'm not sure I even trust the authenticity of the quote to be honest. If it is true, it just shows that even intelligent people are capable of believing dumb things when it suits their prejudices.

It's an all too well known pattern but you're right, he is a rather unique individual....though not in a positive way. It does no good to explain my views on welfare and assisting the poor which I think are on the generous side for a hard hearted evil conservative. All I get in return the next time is more direct quotations from the Progressive's Guide to the Universe, chapter on the evils of conservatism. I've about given up any serious discussion and only spar with him for entertainment purposes. Well, sparring is a bit too generous; more like I'm a big dog running a cat up a tree for amusement. I'll stop here since that's about all I can say without committing an act of trollery.

PS: Gotta be careful about the drunk accusations. I got a TOS for it even though he's on record multiple times for admitting to posting while drunk.

Are you not familiar with developments in robotics?
If they can be mass produced to where they are cost effective they'll be doing just about anything the average minimum wage worker is doing and without the human related hassles. Of course with the left being the left they'd soon be championing for the rights of robots...

In a word: no.

There isn't enough good paying jobs for all Americans, that's fact. So robotics will just make more people go on welfare, which you dislike. Again there isn't , hasn't every been, and never will be enough good paying jobs for all Americans. Capitalism will never allow for that. The system would fail.

It's like the rich. The more people become rich the less rich people have. It's in the best interest of the rich to keep people poor. Money has to come from somewhere and being th rich hole 80% of it in their bank accounts wasting away , that's where it'd come from. At same time their working to increase their bank accounts by draining the middle class.

So if everyone susceeed and moved up then everyone else's money would be divided up to give to the people who moved up. So the previous people would get less then they did before. That's unacceptable to those people. Plus if everyone moved up we'd all be equals. Who'd they compare themselves to to feel better then. No middle class and rich need the poor to serve them and to look down upon.

The thing is, due to circumstance, disability, or age, not everyone can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. At one time, temp agencies were the best way for people without a job history, or had been out of the job market for too long, to get back into the job pool. But now, that avenue has been cut off, with those temp agencies demanding a recent job history. My point being, it isn't so easy just to find employment if you aren't already employed. And that's when the conservatives who lack empathy deem the needy as lazy and shiftless without ever really caring why.
And responsibility politics? Where does the scathing for lack of responsibility by conservatives come in when corporations, in order to save some money, decide to drop huge segments of their workforce, cut wages and benefits, maybe even relocate to a whole different country, leaving all loyal employees destitute? That sort of irresponsibility on the part of big business seems pretty detrimental to the economy at large, but I don't seem to recall any conservative outrage about that. It seems the conservative call for responsibility is pretty selective, and is based on class differentiation. I could give examples of how conservatives involved in the cult of personal responsibility are selective in matters of race, too, but we'd be here forever.
As for hatred and contempt being behind this selective responsibility politics - it all goes back to the pseudo-religious belief that the poor are somehow poor because they're morally corrupt, while the rich are rich because they're being rewarded for their morality and values. This is a self-serving, and self righteous misinterpretation of Calvinist theology which Calvin himself would have gone hoarse with condemning. It all comes from the same pit of hypocrisy that spawned both secular Randian libertarianism, and the prosperity gospel of the very superficial evangelical theology. I'm not saying that all conservatives are inundated in such beliefs, or even are so aware of it, but the so called responsibility politics leads back to this empathyless cesspool.
And are your liberal friends aware that you said you hate liberals? Because I do remember you telling me that you do. And no, I'm not going to anally go searching through all your posts to find where you wrote that. But on the up side, I actually don't hold that against you, because I of all people know one can state things out of anger, even when it's not actually believed.

Ah, I see you two enjoy talking about me as if I'm either not here, or not worthy of respect. Well, talk away, as it says volumes more about you than me.

^ I think you're cool Kraichgauer.

Thank you. And I extend the same compliment to you.

I dunno. I inadvertently upset people on here sometimes.

Join the club!

The elitist SOB invented bifocals, lightning rods, fire places the heat homes properly, promoted street lights, established hospitals in Philadelphia for the poor. Getting poor people to work by which they can support themselves is far more important than government hand-outs. And he promoted literacy. Franklin hauled his share of the burden.

He also obtained French Aid for the American Revolution without which we would all be toasting the Good Health of Her Majesty, the Queen of England.

By the way there will always be a minimum wage since all wages cannot be equal. Some forms of labor are harder than others or more dangerous than others so they pay a premium on wages. Some forms of labor require a higher than average level of skill, so there is a premium paid of special skills. Do you expect brain surgeons to get the same wages as people who flip hamburgers?

If all wages were equal I would seek labor that required the least effort to produce. Why become an expert if it does not pay extra?

Taxation is theft. It means getting money from someone with the threat of prison for non payment or the seizure by force of a person's assets. In a properly run society police, fire and military service would be available through a market mechanism. In our society we resort to force.

Citizens get services in return for taxation. Getting something after giving something hardly seems like theft. I've never heard of a mugger taking a guy's wallet, then leaving him a roll of cash.
I think the market as a force that rights all wrongs is way overblown. The market had a hundred years to correct racial inequality and failed, whereas the government legalized civil rights in a few decades.

Read again what I wrote and what it was in response to. Here, I'll help; Marshall asked who'd be doing the minimum wage jobs if everyone was able to climb out of poverty and i replied that robots could do it. Either way, robots will be coming in larger quantities than already in place so yo'd might as well make peace with that idea.