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07 Jan 2017, 4:43 pm

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07 Jan 2017, 4:55 pm

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What is wrong with being 22 that's pretty prejudice to stereotype a whole age group very Ageist

My, my, my----there's that ol' lack of reading comprehension problem, again.....

I didn't say there was anything "wrong with being 22"----and, if you read what I ACTUALLY said, and STILL think I was being prejudice / ageist, well.....

There's not a thing I can do, to help ya, then.....


I meant it the context of twenty somethings why does it matter and please don't be so patronising.

What I meant was being older and being able to command the respect of younger people is a hard thing to do.

You assume all twenty year olds are naive and don't understand real values. So yes I did read what you said



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07 Jan 2017, 5:07 pm

Let's all calm down for a minute. How did this thread turn into this?



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07 Jan 2017, 5:16 pm

Well if you look at the title, it kind of set the tone.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:09 pm

Alliekit and Campin_Cat wrote:
I meant it the context of twenty somethings why does it matter and please don't be so patronising.

It doesn't matter----I said 20-something, because, way back, I said that, for-the-most-part, the people in her class were probably 20-something; then, in a follow-up post, I said that if they (the 20-somethings) were raised right, they WOULD look-up to her, AUTOMATICALLY----then, I effectively said "See----here's one, now".

What I meant was being older and being able to command the respect of younger people is a hard thing to do.

Yes, it was quite clear to me, why you said what you said, to her----what *I* said, was a compliment i....

You assume all twenty year olds are naive and don't understand real values. So yes I did read what you said

No, I DON'T----and, no, you DIDN'T (see above).....

Age means next-to-nothing to me----it is, IMO, a mere "measure" of the years someone has spent, on this earth; it is NOT, IMO, a measure of knowledge / wisdom / intelligence / maturity..... I have met people in-person, say, 19/20-years-old that I felt had a VERY good head on their shoulders; and then, I've met people, in person, who were 50/60-years-old, who didn't, IMO, have a brain in their ENTIRE body----likewise, the people on this site.

There's, at least, two teenagers on here (one, just barely----at the HIGH end), that, IMO, are going-on, about THIRTY, because that's what they have demonstrated with their words / actions / maturity, and so-forth. Then, because we were specifically discussing "20-year-olds"----likewise----there are those on here, that I would trust with my LIFE, because they're so incredibly THINKING; then, there are other 20-year-olds on here, that.....

Well, let's just say.....

I would NOT trust 'em with my life!! LOL

Believe what you want.....



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07 Jan 2017, 6:12 pm

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Well if you look at the title, it kind of set the tone.
Where not even discussing Trump.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:23 pm

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Well if you look at the title, it kind of set the tone.

THANKS!!








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07 Jan 2017, 6:27 pm

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Well if you look at the title, it kind of set the tone.
Where not even discussing Trump.

You're right----and, I apologize to the OP----but, have you never seen a thread go off the rails, before; and, since he hasn't posted on this thread for more than a week, I'm thinking he doesn't care (and, maybe, quite likes the post count).

If you wanna discuss PE Trump, be my guest----I'll be more-than-happy to respond to your posts, TOO!!




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07 Jan 2017, 6:30 pm

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You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...


Really?
Have you ever been teased because you were autistic?

You have to realise the context.

They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:36 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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Shahunshah wrote:

You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...


Really?
Have you ever been teased because you were autistic?

You have to realise the context.

They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.


If you use ableist and racist language to bully people, then you are being ableist and racist. It doesn't matter if you don't feel like you actively hate those people, bullying them by using ableist and racist language is ableist and racist behaviour.


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07 Jan 2017, 6:41 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
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I meant it the context of twenty somethings why does it matter and please don't be so patronising.

It doesn't matter----I said 20-something, because, way back, I said that, for-the-most-part, the people in her class were probably 20-something; then, in a follow-up post, I said that if they (the 20-somethings) were raised right, they WOULD look-up to her, AUTOMATICALLY----then, I effectively said "See----here's one, now".

What I meant was being older and being able to command the respect of younger people is a hard thing to do.

Yes, it was quite clear to me, why you said what you said, to her----what *I* said, was a compliment i....

You assume all twenty year olds are naive and don't understand real values. So yes I did read what you said

No, I DON'T----and, no, you DIDN'T (see above).....

Age means next-to-nothing to me----it is, IMO, a mere "measure" of the years someone has spent, on this earth; it is NOT, IMO, a measure of knowledge / wisdom / intelligence / maturity..... I have met people in-person, say, 19/20-years-old that I felt had a VERY good head on their shoulders; and then, I've met people, in person, who were 50/60-years-old, who didn't, IMO, have a brain in their ENTIRE body----likewise, the people on this site.

There's, at least, two teenagers on here (one, just barely----at the HIGH end), that, IMO, are going-on, about THIRTY, because that's what they have demonstrated with their words / actions / maturity, and so-forth. Then, because we were specifically discussing "20-year-olds"----likewise----there are those on here, that I would trust with my LIFE, because they're so incredibly THINKING; then, there are other 20-year-olds on here, that.....

Well, let's just say.....

I would NOT trust 'em with my life!! LOL

Believe what you want.....



I did read it and perhaps misinterpreted. I will admit that. But just because I cannot read you mind does not give you the right to be patronising to me.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:43 pm

wilburforce wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:

You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...


Really?
Have you ever been teased because you were autistic?

You have to realise the context.

They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.


If you use ableist and racist language to bully people, then you are being ableist and racist. It doesn't matter if you don't feel like you actively hate those people, bullying them by using ableist and racist language is ableist and racist behaviour.
But what about his intentions and how he thinks him lashing against the disabled reporter might have been as a joke not because of innate hatred. The point I am trying to make is that just because Trump makes offensive jokes doesn't mean he has terrible deplorable views. His appointment of African Americans shows he is comfortable with them close to him.

The definition of being racist is someone who genuinely believes in their own racial superiority the point I am trying to make is he may not be racist only careless with humour.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:44 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...

Really? Have you ever been teased because you were autistic? You have to realise the context. They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.

I agree with this----I feel it goes-along-with what I was saying before (that PE Trump isn't the most wise, but I'm not one to throw-out the baby with the bathwater).




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07 Jan 2017, 6:52 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
wilburforce wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:

You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...


Really?
Have you ever been teased because you were autistic?

You have to realise the context.

They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.


If you use ableist and racist language to bully people, then you are being ableist and racist. It doesn't matter if you don't feel like you actively hate those people, bullying them by using ableist and racist language is ableist and racist behaviour.
But what about his intentions and how he thinks him lashing against the disabled reporter might have been as a joke not because of innate hatred. The point I am trying to make is that just because Trump makes offensive jokes doesn't mean he has terrible deplorable views. His appointment of African Americans shows he is comfortable with them close to him.

The definition of being racist is someone who genuinely believes in their own racial superiority the point I am trying to make is he may not be racist only careless with humour.


So it is an unconscius lack of empathy and understanding about how his words will affect both his followers and the people who are the butt of his jokes?

That sounds so much better.



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07 Jan 2017, 6:53 pm

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But just because I cannot read you mind.....

You didn't have to read my mind, it was THERE!!



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07 Jan 2017, 6:55 pm

Campin_Cat wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
feral botanist wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
You say blatantly that he denigrates women and makes fun of disabilities, well I say you are kind of pulling that out of context. He said much of what he did as a joke...

Really? Have you ever been teased because you were autistic? You have to realise the context. They were just making a joke, so you were being too sensitive and should have just laughed along with them.
I am not condoning what he said. But that is not a reason to label his core beliefs as being ableist or racist.

I agree with this----I feel it goes-along-with what I was saying before (that PE Trump isn't the most wise, but I'm not one to throw-out the baby with the bathwater).
Thanks. To be honest saying Trump is racist is kind of like saying Mitt Romney or Joe Biden is sexist. Just because the two have made unfortunate gaffes and have been careless does not mean that they are sexist in fact much about their characters reject that notion.