Logic: There is no God

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But neither of us KNOW what's right. We do know what 2+2 is though. Or at least, I hope you do.

Sure?

Neither of us can say that we kow for a fact that what we believe/ lack belief in it right.

I have not written this but found the article at a very interesting site. http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm and thought it could add to this topic.

First, there’s a very, VERY peculiar thing about the place we live in – something so weird and profound it sends shivers down your spine. For in fact, the Universe seems to be ‘fine-tuned’ to make life possible!

It has to do with the stuff most people find boring in school: the laws of physics. Ultimately, all of these laws are founded upon the ‘physical constants’. Such as the force of gravity, the ‘strong force’ that glues atomic nuclei together and the electromagnetic force, the driving hand behind stuff like lightning and computers. But why do these fundamental ‘presets’ have the values they have? Why aren’t they a little bigger, or smaller?

The British cosmologist Fred Hoyle was the first to realise this is no coincidence. A very peculiar thing about the fundamental constants is that they appear to have exactly the right values. If they were slightly smaller or bigger, atoms, stars, planets and people simply wouldn’t exist!

Take the strong force inside atomic nuclei. If the force were just slightly stronger, it would boost up the burning of stars so much, that they would explode only seconds after they were formed. We wouldn’t have a sun – or even a planet. If on the other hand the force were a tad weaker, it would be too weak to hold together elements like the heavy hydrogen isotope deuterium. Stars wouldn’t light up. And we wouldn’t be here either.

Astonishingly, the same goes for all other constants. As the famous British astronomer Martin Rees put it: “Wherever we look, we see examples of fine-tuning. Most of the physical constants and the initial conditions of the Universe examined so far appear to be fine-tuned to some extent.”

That leaves us with a gnawing, unsettling question: Why? Why are all physical contants exactly the way they are? Every cosmologist agrees that this can hardly be a coincidence. So what, or who, set the rules?

I would say that this does make sense to me and could be seen as the universe was not just some giant galactic coincidence and maybe there is somebody who made it all happen. However it could be wrong as well, what do you think?

if you're looking for an old religion that's been around and prominant and has written books for your truth, look up hinduism. it's older than the jewish faith and has books on their religious beiefs. it also makes as much sense as the bible does (little to none).

But I do know it. I was led to the truth by the Holy Spirit, and followed by faith, but now I know.

Neither of you can be sure of anything
Convince me that God does or does not exist

So how is you saying that you 'know' all this is true, any different o me saying I 'know' whatever I think is true? Neither of us can 'know' anything.

At the moment, you're not worth it.

The saying of it isn't any different, and isn't any more believable on either side.

I realized I was trolling
It was because of me you decided to drop "I'm engaged" thread?

what's funny is all fundamentalists are guilty of one of the seven deadly sins.


pride.


they're too prideful to ever admit there may have been wrong doing on the part of humanity in the creation of the bible....rather less something bigger such as that their god doesn't exist.

Na, I just felt the discussion was clearly going nowhere.

It's funny how someone can say that saying one knows something is "pride", and then in the same sentence, turn around and say that they know "all fundamentalists are guilty..."

Last edited by Ragtime on 31 May 2007, 8:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.

I know, none of these discussions actually goes nowhere
No one changes their mind just with internet forum discussions
But I was amusing myslef, that is trolling isn't it?
i shouldn't have made that post

I wouldn't say you were trolling.