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01 Feb 2017, 4:11 pm

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Zimmerman isn't white.

oh my gods, can you not


He's part Afro-Peruvian and Hispanic. Wasn't it the same media who labelled him 'white' the same one who separated whites and Hispanics into separate categories during the recent election?


As someone with Peruvian Heritage I can also add that Afro-Peruvian are very small minority group 2% some estimates of Chinese Peruvians make them almost double that. Chinese have been migrating to Peru since the 19th century.



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The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D



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0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

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I would say the best way to defeat ideas like Nazism is to engage in respectful debates. Nazis and other hate groups thrive off of conflict.



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01 Feb 2017, 8:08 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?



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Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


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01 Feb 2017, 8:59 pm

lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.



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01 Feb 2017, 9:57 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.


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02 Feb 2017, 4:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.



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02 Feb 2017, 5:01 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.


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02 Feb 2017, 5:04 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.
I am a Clinton supporter like you and I don't like Trump's Muslim ban, I don't only think it is bad for us fighting terrorism it is immoral.

But their is a significant and sizeable large minority Muslims that hold extreme beliefs. We must be aware of that.



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Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.
I am a Clinton supporter like you and I don't like Trump's Muslim ban, I don't only think it is bad for us fighting terrorism it is immoral.

But their is a significant and sizeable large minority Muslims that hold extreme beliefs. We must be aware of that.


Sure, we should be aware of extremist Muslims. But we should also be aware of Irish immigrants with ties to the IRA, or Spanish citizens tied to Basque separatist terrorists. And yes, those groups have killed large numbers of innocent people, as well.


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02 Feb 2017, 5:11 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.
I am a Clinton supporter like you and I don't like Trump's Muslim ban, I don't only think it is bad for us fighting terrorism it is immoral.

But their is a significant and sizeable large minority Muslims that hold extreme beliefs. We must be aware of that.


Sure, we should be aware of extremist Muslims. But we should also be aware of Irish immigrants with ties to the IRA, or Spanish citizens tied to Basque separatist terrorists. And yes, those groups have killed large numbers of innocent people, as well.
Islam is more likely to be adverse to our values and culture.



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This back and forth here is ridiculous. Only 0_equals_true makes me think they maybe watched the video (though I'm still not quite sure because they seemed to say they weren't if t1j incites violence--he doesn't btw). Barchan, might have too.


I didn't watch the video. I don't think I need to, because I can't imagine any scenario in which I'd be unhappy about a nazi getting his teeth knocked out.


Years of propaganda will do that to ya.

First of can you define what a Nazi is and then explain why Spencer is one?


Are you kidding? Spencer had held a rally in DC a day after Trump's election in which he gave a racist rant about the superiority of white people to a room filled with Alt Right white nationalists, ending with giving a Nazi salute, and shouting, "Hail Trump! Hail our People! Hail victory!" That last, "Hail victory" being English for Sieg Heil.
If he's not a Nazi, then he's doing a damn good imitation of one.


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02 Feb 2017, 5:24 am

Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.
I am a Clinton supporter like you and I don't like Trump's Muslim ban, I don't only think it is bad for us fighting terrorism it is immoral.

But their is a significant and sizeable large minority Muslims that hold extreme beliefs. We must be aware of that.


Sure, we should be aware of extremist Muslims. But we should also be aware of Irish immigrants with ties to the IRA, or Spanish citizens tied to Basque separatist terrorists. And yes, those groups have killed large numbers of innocent people, as well.
Islam is more likely to be adverse to our values and culture.


I'm more likely to take people as individuals, rather than assuming they are going to act stereotypically for their ethno/religious group. Otherwise, all Germans would be regarded as Nazis, all Irish as violent drunks, all Jews as greedy con men, all blacks as lazy criminals, etc.


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02 Feb 2017, 5:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
lidsmichelle wrote:
Barchan wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
The term Aryan also means "from Iran" for those who have that complex.


In recognition of this simple truth, can we take advantage of current law and deport people who self-identify this way until they have been subject to extreme vetting?

My satiredar went off. :D

Satire aside, there's a valid point to be seen here; why are Americans more afraid of radical Islam than they are of radical white racism?

Because muslim people are "other," especially those practicing a different religion, so it's easier for them to demonize them. They find it harder to demonize other white people. Especially when they're not harming other white people (or are harming "bad" white people like people who work at Planned Parenthood lmao).

White Christians cause the most harm in this country, on a terrorism level and a governmental level, but here we are claiming that people that are easier to other are the real culprits.

Edit: obviously white practitioners of Islam exist but the backlash is against the non white ones for the most part. Though I've seen some people lose their s**t and claim white practitioners are like race traitors or something. Cuz as we all know, Islam is a race lmao.


Its not just that, racism is in the decline. Even the most conservative states in the country like Louisiana and South Carolina have elected African Americans and Indian Americans to prominent positions. Since less people are practicing it their is not so much to fear from those people.

Islam is different. Their is a large radical minority that if we let in could be bad for society. Did you know a BBC poll in Britain found that nearly half the people think homosexuality should be illegal, many Muslims even in European countries believe in Sharia law. If we bring people into our country who have fundamentally different values, their is a chance they will lash out against society.


But Muslims in the UK are an isolated, ghettoized minority, who cling with dear life to their traditional culture. Here in America, Muslims are much more likely to be assimilated, thus more receptive to the values of liberal democracy.
Even the most secular, economically stable Muslim countries have some support for Sharia law in their own countries.


But that hardly means the tiny Muslim population in America would be capable of instituting Sharia law here, or that they all would even want to.
I am a Clinton supporter like you and I don't like Trump's Muslim ban, I don't only think it is bad for us fighting terrorism it is immoral.

But their is a significant and sizeable large minority Muslims that hold extreme beliefs. We must be aware of that.


Sure, we should be aware of extremist Muslims. But we should also be aware of Irish immigrants with ties to the IRA, or Spanish citizens tied to Basque separatist terrorists. And yes, those groups have killed large numbers of innocent people, as well.
Islam is more likely to be adverse to our values and culture.


I'm more likely to take people as individuals, rather than assuming they are going to act stereotypically for their ethno/religious group. Otherwise, all Germans would be regarded as Nazis, all Irish as violent drunks, all Jews as greedy con men, all blacks as lazy criminals, etc.
They are its what many of them believe in. You can say what you want about Muslims being individuals when they support Sharia law like many of them do they are taking a standpoint which is against Western values.