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Are Catholics the only Christians?
Yes 11%  11%  [ 9 ]
No 89%  89%  [ 70 ]
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23 Feb 2011, 1:21 pm

Bill Gates: only Windows users have computers

Alan Mulally: only Ford owners have cars

Richard Branson: only Virgin Atlantic customers have flights

Howard Stringer: only PlayStation gamers have a console

And so on... You get my point. If you run something, you'll say whatever s**t you have to if it'll get more people on your side. And if there's one person on Earth who's an expert at talking s**t, it's the Pope.



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23 Feb 2011, 1:26 pm

And still nobody has verified the original claim.


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23 Feb 2011, 1:29 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
And still nobody has verified the original claim.


Agreed, I'm not really that much of a fan of Catholicism as a Protestant, but I would like a source as well to verify that the Pope actually said what was claimed.



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23 Feb 2011, 1:57 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Bill Gates: only Windows users have computers

Alan Mulally: only Ford owners have cars

Richard Branson: only Virgin Atlantic customers have flights

Howard Stringer: only PlayStation gamers have a console

And so on... You get my point. If you run something, you'll say whatever s**t you have to if it'll get more people on your side. And if there's one person on Earth who's an expert at talking s**t, it's the Pope.


Assuming that your goal is a numbers game, how precisely would defining hundreds of millions of people as 'outsiders' get you more 'insiders'?


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23 Feb 2011, 2:42 pm

Natty_Boh wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Bill Gates: only Windows users have computers

Alan Mulally: only Ford owners have cars

Richard Branson: only Virgin Atlantic customers have flights

Howard Stringer: only PlayStation gamers have a console

And so on... You get my point. If you run something, you'll say whatever s**t you have to if it'll get more people on your side. And if there's one person on Earth who's an expert at talking s**t, it's the Pope.


Assuming that your goal is a numbers game, how precisely would defining hundreds of millions of people as 'outsiders' get you more 'insiders'?


By convincing the "outsiders" to become "insiders". If you're deep into Christianity and the top guy says you're not a real one, you might be tempted to become a Catholic instead.

Then again, maybe he was just talking s**t for the sake of it as he so commonly does. I often wonder whether or not him and his mates have bets going to see how stupid his statements have to be before Christians reject him.



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23 Feb 2011, 2:49 pm

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By convincing the "outsiders" to become "insiders". If you're deep into Christianity and the top guy says you're not a real one, you might be tempted to become a Catholic instead.


I think I'll leave the logic of that for the Protestants/non-Catholic Christians here to comment upon.

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Then again, maybe he was just talking s**t for the sake of it as he so commonly does. I often wonder whether or not him and his mates have bets going to see how stupid his statements have to be before Christians reject him.


Not being able to understand - oh, Arabic - doesn't mean that Arabic is gibberish. It just means that you don't know the language.


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23 Feb 2011, 2:59 pm

For some it has nothing to do with the validity of the claim, only with the target.

One time a colleague proposed a new course. Good proposal - he planned that he would be the first and most frequent in the department to offer it. As does everyone.

One colleague - it will be enough to identify him as Dr. Loki Serpens - had a bit of an Apple of Discord complex.

He said, "It does seem a bit presumptuous that he implies he is the only one competent to teach it, when we have others focussed in that area.

Certain other colleagues were offended. How dare he propose this? What are we, chopped liver? It is an insult and an outrage.

Because of one well placed innuendo with no factual basis, they were filled with adrenalin, endorphins, and God knows what all, ready to expel him - in his absence.

As one who did not like me said to someone about me, Don't let him know we told you about his crimes, he will just lie and deny it.

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23 Feb 2011, 3:02 pm

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Not being able to understand - oh, Arabic - doesn't mean that Arabic is gibberish. It just means that you don't know the language.


I can understand what he's saying just fine, it's just utterly stupid. For example, this guy was in the Hitler Youth, but he said that all atheists are Nazis... The f**k? And people take him seriously?

But hey, maybe I'm just being judgmental for not accepting a paedophilia enabling Nazi as infallible.



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23 Feb 2011, 3:19 pm

nb, NB:

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Asp-Z wrote:
By convincing the "outsiders" to become "insiders". If you're deep into Christianity and the top guy says you're not a real one, you might be tempted to become a Catholic instead.


I think I'll leave the logic of that for the Protestants/non-Catholic Christians here to comment upon. "

If I could find any I would gladly comment. JakobVirgil might be able to sort out the denomination of the fallacies - but he might need a mustard seed of substance first.

For the rest - time to pick the pearls out of the muck. Cute that if you are as into LMP [lame multilingual punning] as I am - mucc - Old Irish > pig



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23 Feb 2011, 3:22 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
Not being able to understand - oh, Arabic - doesn't mean that Arabic is gibberish. It just means that you don't know the language.


I can understand what he's saying just fine, it's just utterly stupid. For example, this guy was in the Hitler Youth, but he said that all atheists are Nazis... The f**k? And people take him seriously?

But hey, maybe I'm just being judgmental for not accepting a paedophilia enabling Nazi as infallible.


All German Children were forced to enter the Hitler Youth Movement, it wasn't exactly voluntary.



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23 Feb 2011, 3:24 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Natty_Boh wrote:
Not being able to understand - oh, Arabic - doesn't mean that Arabic is gibberish. It just means that you don't know the language.


I can understand what he's saying just fine, it's just utterly stupid. For example, this guy was in the Hitler Youth, but he said that all atheists are Nazis... The f**k? And people take him seriously?

But hey, maybe I'm just being judgmental for not accepting a paedophilia enabling Nazi as infallible.


All German Children were forced to enter the Hitler Youth Movement, it wasn't exactly voluntary.


Even so, that doesn't make the crap that comes out of his mouth any less ridiculous.



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23 Feb 2011, 3:46 pm

Did the exact quote appear somewhere in the 9 pages I haven't read?

I would be surprised if he said it as paraphrased, because that is not how I've been taught as a Catholic.

And if the paraphrase is accurate ... well, he's not my favorite Pope and he made an error.


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23 Feb 2011, 5:48 pm

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Did the exact quote appear somewhere in the 9 pages I haven't read?

I would be surprised if he said it as paraphrased, because that is not how I've been taught as a Catholic.

And if the paraphrase is accurate ... well, he's not my favorite Pope and he made an error.


Who are you, a mere Roman Catholic, to judge that her big boss is in error? ;)

I thought there was something called papal infallibility (at least theologically)?



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23 Feb 2011, 6:46 pm

MCalavera wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Did the exact quote appear somewhere in the 9 pages I haven't read?

I would be surprised if he said it as paraphrased, because that is not how I've been taught as a Catholic.

And if the paraphrase is accurate ... well, he's not my favorite Pope and he made an error.


Who are you, a mere Roman Catholic, to judge that her big boss is in error? ;)

I thought there was something called papal infallibility (at least theologically)?


The Pope is only infallible when he says he is being speaking with infallibility, which has only happened twice in the course of church history.

You don't know nearly as much about Catholicism as you like to think you do.


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23 Feb 2011, 6:47 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Bill Gates: only Windows users have computers

Alan Mulally: only Ford owners have cars

Richard Branson: only Virgin Atlantic customers have flights

Howard Stringer: only PlayStation gamers have a console

And so on... You get my point. If you run something, you'll say whatever s**t you have to if it'll get more people on your side. And if there's one person on Earth who's an expert at talking s**t, it's the Pope.
Yes, but most other Christian branches do the same, so it is worthless to go ballistic on Popey for this.


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23 Feb 2011, 6:59 pm

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Assuming that your goal is a numbers game, how precisely would defining hundreds of millions of people as 'outsiders' get you more 'insiders'?

That has been a traditional Christian value since the beginnings. It works and is very effective because the award for being a insider is supposedly eternal life. This sort of exclusiveness is what lead many romans to quit their faith so that they can have the promised eternal life.

If it wasn't for the exclusiveness, most Romans would have kept their gods and Jesus would have been yet another deity.


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