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25 Oct 2020, 11:15 am

?????

...who exactly on this thread is claiming that "all conservatives are Nazis?" I see no-one claiming that, but an awful lot of people leaping up to refute this claim that hasn't been made. "Nazis are bad." "How dare you call me a Nazi!" What fun!


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25 Oct 2020, 11:18 am

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I see this is going as well as I expected :lol:

"You're a Nazi"
"No you are"

When a political ideology meets with that much passing the buck back and forth, there's no point in making arguments as to why nobody should identify with it. Nobody is doing in the first place.

It's like making a thread 'why autistic people shouldn't be bullies'. No they shouldn't. Yes, autistic people are disproportionately negatively affected by bullying. But nobody's going to identify as a bully.



Just imagine if this thread was about bullies and why autistic people shouldn't be bullies, a user comes in this thread taking offense to being called a bully even though no one ever actually called them one. This is how strange it is and why they make themselves look guilty. Are you a bully?

Me! Me! I'm a bully. :lol:
Except, not really. :twisted: I'm just someone capable of punching a bully back.

Oh, and no one called me but I came. :P
Does that mean I'm guilty offended or just bored? :lol:

I don't even understand the question or why the question even it exists.
It matters not. It's all a part of the show. Or maybe I hope to kill a thread or two? :twisted:


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25 Oct 2020, 11:51 am

PhosphorusDecree wrote:
?????

...who exactly on this thread is claiming that "all conservatives are Nazis?"


No one.


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I see no-one claiming that, but an awful lot of people leaping up to refute this claim that hasn't been made. "Nazis are bad." "How dare you call me a Nazi!" What fun!


If I am going to be talking about Nazis, I am referring to actions and yes expressing any ideologies that fall under Nazism is an action. I won't be calling a group of people Nazis eg. men, women, liberals, conservatives, aspies.

Now if someone online wants to take offense to that comment I wrote and accuse me of calling them a Nazi, I am going to wonder if they are one of these people here and they had outed themselves. I may judge them and even block them as well depending on what my comment was about because I think they are that person I want no association and interaction with.


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25 Oct 2020, 11:52 am

Edna3362 wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
KT67 wrote:
I see this is going as well as I expected :lol:

"You're a Nazi"
"No you are"

When a political ideology meets with that much passing the buck back and forth, there's no point in making arguments as to why nobody should identify with it. Nobody is doing in the first place.

It's like making a thread 'why autistic people shouldn't be bullies'. No they shouldn't. Yes, autistic people are disproportionately negatively affected by bullying. But nobody's going to identify as a bully.



Just imagine if this thread was about bullies and why autistic people shouldn't be bullies, a user comes in this thread taking offense to being called a bully even though no one ever actually called them one. This is how strange it is and why they make themselves look guilty. Are you a bully?

Me! Me! I'm a bully. :lol:
Except, not really. :twisted: I'm just someone capable of punching a bully back.

Oh, and no one called me but I came. :P
Does that mean I'm guilty offended or just bored? :lol:

I don't even understand the question or why the question even it exists.
It matters not. It's all a part of the show. Or maybe I hope to kill a thread or two? :twisted:


Self defense is not bullying.


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25 Oct 2020, 1:52 pm

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Not just "conservatives", but even anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama (at least in America) could be a target.


A target for what?


Criticism from leftists. :wink:


Oh No...isn't that just the worst that the whole 'f**k your feelings' crowd is now butthurt that people won't respect their feelings.


I just remind them that the facts don't care about their feelings in a smarmy Ben Shapiro voice.

If conservatives hate being conflated with fascists and white nationalists they might want to ensure they stop associating with those types, inviting them to speak at their events and otherwise providing them with platforms. Until then, if it goosesteps like a fascist and Sieg Heils like a fascist someone is gonna call it a fascist.

Yeah for sure if it quacks like a fascist than it is probably a fascist.


We aren't bullies, fascists are fascist.


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25 Oct 2020, 1:59 pm

I'll make this easy: if you support the American political party that used unidentified federal troops to throw people's mothers in unmarked rental vans, that's obviously fascist.


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26 Oct 2020, 2:48 pm

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Yeah.... the neo-Nazi thing isn’t an exaggeration. We have a problem in the US. I don’t feel like looking up links and posting them here, but here are some things to google if anyone is actually interested in fact-checking the things we are experiencing here:

- 2017 Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in which people carried flags emblazoned with swastikas and were chanting “Jews will not replace us”
- Oct. 2018 synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA
- A rabbi was attacked with a machete (later died) during a Hanukkah celebration in upstate New York in 2019
- Shootout in a kosher market in New Jersey in which 5 people were killed, also in 2019

So yeah. No one is saying all conservatives are Nazis. No one is even saying that all extreme conservatives are Nazis. But we do have actual for real Nazis here.


Prove it. 8)


Sigh. Okay, I will post the links because I guess googling is not an option?

Charlottesville 2017:
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/c ... alist.html
- https://abcnews.go.com/US/happen-charlo ... d=57107500
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Pittsburgh 2018:
- https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/a ... oting.html
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsbu ... e_shooting

Hanukkah 2019:
- https://abcnews.go.com/US/stabbed-hasid ... d=67964846
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyre ... ttack.html
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsey_ ... h_stabbing

Kosher market 2019:
- https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/78702913 ... osher-deli
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Je ... y_shooting

Re: what proportion of Americans are Nazi/white supremacist/skinhead/KKK/fascist, I don’t believe those statistics can be known. They would have to be self reported. There are very few who openly identify with any of those groups, and they don’t always use their real names. Even if some believe in it, they may still lose their jobs for outwardly stating so. Also, many people who commit acts of violence toward Jews or other minority groups may swear up and down that they are not bigots.

Some more reading on white nationalism in the US:

- https://www.vice.com/en/topic/white-nationalists
- https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... -chatrooms


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26 Oct 2020, 2:51 pm

Here-----in the US-----there are certainly Nazis and neo-Nazis. No doubt about that. It can become a major problem if we allow it to become a major problem.

Here, on WP-----I don't discern any actual Nazis or neo-Nazis here.



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26 Oct 2020, 2:57 pm

I am very right-wing but am in no way racist, and am definitely not a Nazi. I do believe in rights for people with disabilities (I am one). Although I admittedly have a morbid fascination with Nazis, the things they did were downright horrible. I'm just interested from a historical/sociological perspective.


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26 Oct 2020, 2:59 pm

Oh, by “here” I meant the United States. Not Wrong Planet. I have no idea about this website.



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26 Oct 2020, 3:07 pm

No one should waste brain space on the radical hatred doctrine of the neo-nazi movement. To belong to or believe in this crap is counter to all that is good and holy, against God. It is a sin against humanity!! !! !! !! !! ! No one with an ounce of common sense and decency would even consider supporting this group of misfits.

These comments include those who support racism, voter suppression, consider the COVID pandemic a hoax, basically what the GOP has become. The supporters of the orange one have sold their souls in order to preserve their place in the joke that has become the government of the United States.

The only way any of this will hurt your feelings is if you support those self-serving individuals or are one of them. There will be no apology coming.


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26 Oct 2020, 6:18 pm

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No one should waste brain space on the radical hatred doctrine of the neo-nazi movement. To belong to or believe in this crap is counter to all that is good and holy, against God. It is a sin against humanity!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! No one with an ounce of common sense and decency would even consider supporting this group of misfits.


It is beholden to us to ask the question why in 2020 we are even having this conversation? A war was fought where millions of people died fighting this movement yet under the guise of "civil rights" or "free speech" certain people say they have a right to express their thoughts. Boggles my mind why they aren't arrested as a danger to society?



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26 Oct 2020, 6:34 pm

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Oh, by “here” I meant the United States. Not Wrong Planet. I have no idea about this website.


Ah ok.

Nobody should be a Nazi.

Some aspies believe we are the ubermensch. Mostly teenagers.

We not meaning white people or Celts but meaning aspies.

I believed that as a right wing teenager tbh (when I was 17-19). Without the Nazi sympathising, just read a lot of Nietzsche (in translation but actual translated books rather than just people theorising on it) and felt we were the 'next step along'.

Nowadays (13 years and a lot of ideological shift/life experience on) I think that everyone - including people with severe learning difficulties - is equal and deserves a place in this world. However, I still think HFA people have special talents that it is a shame society shuns. We have a lot to offer society if society would adapt into accepting us. And I don't see HFA people who are just HFA without anything else as 'disabled' rather we are just 'neurodiverse' or 'different'.

I think evolution for humans has stopped. It won't go back or forward. That's probably because our brain - and the tools we can create using it - are our greatest advantage in survival. So we're not like other animals where things like running fast, being big, being able to camouflage etc have huge advantages. Our tools will involve in our place as they have done for millennia.

And if we did 'regress'? That would actually be a survival thing so it would still be evolution rather than a backwards form of evolution. There's moths who were brown and went grey cos of living in smog then when the cities cleaned up again they went back to being brown again. That was evolution. All of it.

It's probably impossible for a species to predict what species its descendant will be. Probably not healthy to know either. It's certainly impossible to affect on a massive scale which is what the Nazis, and other eugenicists before them, attempted.


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26 Oct 2020, 9:04 pm

PhosphorusDecree wrote:
?????

...who exactly on this thread is claiming that "all conservatives are Nazis?" I see no-one claiming that, but an awful lot of people leaping up to refute this claim that hasn't been made. "Nazis are bad." "How dare you call me a Nazi!" What fun!


There was dog-whistling in other threads, a while ago.
There was quite a big kerfuffle over it, including "Signature" battles. :mrgreen:



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26 Oct 2020, 9:09 pm

malavois wrote:
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malavois wrote:
Yeah.... the neo-Nazi thing isn’t an exaggeration. We have a problem in the US. I don’t feel like looking up links and posting them here, but here are some things to google if anyone is actually interested in fact-checking the things we are experiencing here:

- 2017 Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in which people carried flags emblazoned with swastikas and were chanting “Jews will not replace us”
- Oct. 2018 synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA
- A rabbi was attacked with a machete (later died) during a Hanukkah celebration in upstate New York in 2019
- Shootout in a kosher market in New Jersey in which 5 people were killed, also in 2019

So yeah. No one is saying all conservatives are Nazis. No one is even saying that all extreme conservatives are Nazis. But we do have actual for real Nazis here.


Prove it. 8)


Sigh. Okay, I will post the links because I guess googling is not an option?

Charlottesville 2017:
- https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/c ... alist.html
- https://abcnews.go.com/US/happen-charlo ... d=57107500
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

Pittsburgh 2018:
- https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/27/us/a ... oting.html
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsbu ... e_shooting

Hanukkah 2019:
- https://abcnews.go.com/US/stabbed-hasid ... d=67964846
- https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/nyre ... ttack.html
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsey_ ... h_stabbing

Kosher market 2019:
- https://www.npr.org/2019/12/11/78702913 ... osher-deli
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Je ... y_shooting

Re: what proportion of Americans are Nazi/white supremacist/skinhead/KKK/fascist, I don’t believe those statistics can be known. They would have to be self reported. There are very few who openly identify with any of those groups, and they don’t always use their real names. Even if some believe in it, they may still lose their jobs for outwardly stating so. Also, many people who commit acts of violence toward Jews or other minority groups may swear up and down that they are not bigots.

Some more reading on white nationalism in the US:

- https://www.vice.com/en/topic/white-nationalists
- https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/10 ... -chatrooms


If you claim “fake news” then there’s nothing more anyone can do. Believe it or don’t believe it, your opinion doesn’t matter for reality.


Contextual misunderstanding.
My fault.
I thought you were saying that there were Nazis "here", meaning on the Wrong Planet. :wink:



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26 Oct 2020, 9:12 pm

cberg wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hollywood_Guy wrote:
Not just "conservatives", but even anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama (at least in America) could be a target.


A target for what?


Criticism from leftists. :wink:


Oh No...isn't that just the worst that the whole 'f**k your feelings' crowd is now butthurt that people won't respect their feelings.


I just remind them that the facts don't care about their feelings in a smarmy Ben Shapiro voice.

If conservatives hate being conflated with fascists and white nationalists they might want to ensure they stop associating with those types, inviting them to speak at their events and otherwise providing them with platforms. Until then, if it goosesteps like a fascist and Sieg Heils like a fascist someone is gonna call it a fascist.

Yeah for sure if it quacks like a fascist than it is probably a fascist.


We aren't bullies, fascists are fascist.


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