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21 Nov 2007, 5:29 pm
pandabear wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
(19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
(18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
(19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Doesn't this mean that Mosaic law is still in effect, and that most Christians err grievously by not following the Sabbath on Saturday, by eating pork and shellfish, by wearing clothing that blends fibers like cotton and linen, or by eating cheeseburgers (since mixing meat and dairy are prohibited by the law)? Aren't Christian farmers doomed because they don't let their fields lie fallow one of every seven years?
Cheeseburgers are okay. You're just not supposed to cook a calf in its mother's milk. When you are eating a cheeseburger, you actually aren't cooking a calf in its mother's milk. You are just eating its flesh with some cheese melted on top. Cheese, not milk. The milk from which the cheese was made might have come from the animal's mother, but it is unlikely. Jews have been misinterpreting this ever since cheeseburgers were invented.
Also, there really isn't any implication in the Mosaic law that not following these instructions would doom someone to Hell. Going to Heaven or Hell was not a big concern of the Old Testament. The Old Testament has more of a dust-to-dust outlook. It was more a concern that the living descendents would be punished, for example, by being led into slavery in Babylon.
So that means the sons and grandsons had to be punished for the "crimes" of their fathers, that indicates being God's justice in the OT, no wonder there was someone who wanted to sued God. recently.
If going to hell or heaven wasn't a big concern in the OT, than 1: why judaism were and some still are, along with a few christian denominations give the ten commandments a great deal.
and second:
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"
Now, again, is this a case of different interpretations?
And how about the sabbath?
Following "reason", if there such
, inside the doctrine, the ten commandments are the law of God, in any jurisdiction you have to follow the law, as breaking it would be a crime and you have to be punished, therefore, in the end, people who break the law of God, will be punished, along for the other reasons you mentioned, which it will be after the judgement day, in hell, if they have not been forgiven before.
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
From all of OT laws, it appears that the most important were the ten commandments, which it is assumed that Jesus didn't want to abolish them, but perhaps, he wanted to make them more flexible or change their orientation, however, it doesn't seem this sabbath was abolished, until due to roman influence and persecution.
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21 Nov 2007, 5:42 pm
21 Nov 2007, 5:42 pm
pandabear wrote:
So, is iamnotaparakeet on his way to Heaven?
At least he will die happy
21 Nov 2007, 5:46 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read Matthew.
What about it?
Most of what you were talking about just a moment ago is discuss and explained there.
oh well, don't forget that that is your interpretation, other people (christians) see the same thing differently, and I know you are going to say yours is truthful and others are not, untrue christians, etc. amusing stuff one reads sometimes here
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21 Nov 2007, 5:56 pm
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read Matthew.
What about it?
Most of what you were talking about just a moment ago is discuss and explained there.
oh well, don't forget that that is your interpretation, other people (christians) see the same thing differently, and I know you are going to say yours is truthful and others are not, untrue christians, etc. amusing stuff one reads sometimes here
Read it yourself and ask God to help you interpret it by the Holy Spirit. If He's not real, how will it hurt you to ask?
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