MR_BOGAN
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28 Feb 2009, 6:21 pm
I hate how they always say "Oh my god!". 
28 Feb 2009, 6:24 pm
MR_BOGAN wrote:
I hate how they always say "Oh my god!".
Here in Sweden we always say "Satan!", "Devils!", "Hell!" and stuff like that when something goes wrong.
So when some apologists say that everyone believes in god because they would say "Oh my God!" when their plane crashes or something like that, I can't help but smile...
28 Feb 2009, 6:33 pm
Henriksson wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
codarac wrote:
USA's main contributions to the world in recent years: wars for Israel and an avalanche of pop-culture filth.
The two are not wholly unrelated.
The two are not wholly unrelated.
So you're basically alluding to the fact that the USA is bad because our government is not antisemitic enough???
Anti-Israel =/= Antisemitic
I hold no grudge against Jews, in fact many Jews have made a lot of contributions, but seriously - the whole Israel idea was a bad idea to begin with, considering that there was already Palestine.
I am perfectly aware of that, thankyou. But Codarac has made PLENTY of antisemitic posts that ascibe to "jewish conspiracy" theories and scapegoating jews unjustifiably. So I have no doubt that the reason why HE happens to not like Israel is because the Israeli's are jewish.
28 Feb 2009, 11:01 pm
I get stuck off the Internet for 3 days, and someone goes and steals my possible post...
I was going to post this as a poll...why You hate America
1) We have the following list of treaties you haven't signed
2) You're religious. The only difference between you and Iran is the content of your Holy Books
3) You support Israel. Share their friendship; share their fate
4) You're not (insert the name of your Country)
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
I think what the non-US people don't understand (and probably a good many US citizens), is that we don't separate criticism of the government from criticism of the people. We don't have the idea that 'of course, ze government is corrupt, but vhat can you do?' attitude.
When the government or our policies are questioned or attacked, we see it as a personal attack on us, individually. If you hate the US Government, you hate us personally. The idea that you could (much less would) separate the two doesn't compute for us.
We hardly have a monopoly on stupidity or corruption. I think of us as the worst possible country in the world, with the exception of all the others...
But remember, we've gotten rid of George "Emperor Palpitaine" Bush, and the Republic is in power, with an entire party trying to make us as much like Europe as possible. Things will get better
As for WWII, we were attacked because we were helping the British, and because we cut off exports to Japan (to help Vietnam, of all things... Admittedly, Russia and China did most of the fighting, but we did help some on both fronts (heck, we even brought the Russians American fighter planes, trucks, and of course...Spam...
05 Mar 2009, 6:14 am
pakled wrote:
I get stuck off the Internet for 3 days, and someone goes and steals my possible post...
I was going to post this as a poll...why You hate America
1) We have the following list of treaties you haven't signed
2) You're religious. The only difference between you and Iran is the content of your Holy Books
3) You support Israel. Share their friendship; share their fate
4) You're not (insert the name of your Country)
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
I think what the non-US people don't understand (and probably a good many US citizens), is that we don't separate criticism of the government from criticism of the people. We don't have the idea that 'of course, ze government is corrupt, but vhat can you do?' attitude.
When the government or our policies are questioned or attacked, we see it as a personal attack on us, individually. If you hate the US Government, you hate us personally. The idea that you could (much less would) separate the two doesn't compute for us.
We hardly have a monopoly on stupidity or corruption. I think of us as the worst possible country in the world, with the exception of all the others...
But remember, we've gotten rid of George "Emperor Palpitaine" Bush, and the Republic is in power, with an entire party trying to make us as much like Europe as possible. Things will get better
As for WWII, we were attacked because we were helping the British, and because we cut off exports to Japan (to help Vietnam, of all things... Admittedly, Russia and China did most of the fighting, but we did help some on both fronts (heck, we even brought the Russians American fighter planes, trucks, and of course...Spam...
I was going to post this as a poll...why You hate America
1) We have the following list of treaties you haven't signed
2) You're religious. The only difference between you and Iran is the content of your Holy Books
3) You support Israel. Share their friendship; share their fate
4) You're not (insert the name of your Country)
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
I think what the non-US people don't understand (and probably a good many US citizens), is that we don't separate criticism of the government from criticism of the people. We don't have the idea that 'of course, ze government is corrupt, but vhat can you do?' attitude.
When the government or our policies are questioned or attacked, we see it as a personal attack on us, individually. If you hate the US Government, you hate us personally. The idea that you could (much less would) separate the two doesn't compute for us.
We hardly have a monopoly on stupidity or corruption. I think of us as the worst possible country in the world, with the exception of all the others...
But remember, we've gotten rid of George "Emperor Palpitaine" Bush, and the Republic is in power, with an entire party trying to make us as much like Europe as possible. Things will get better
As for WWII, we were attacked because we were helping the British, and because we cut off exports to Japan (to help Vietnam, of all things...
Admittedly, Russia and China did most of the fighting, but we did help some on both fronts (heck, we even brought the Russians American fighter planes, trucks, and of course...Spam...At least, concrete reasons, and not emotions.
1) We have the following list of treaties you haven't signed
So why cannot we choose not to sign a treaty?
2) You're religious. The only difference between you and Iran is the content of your Holy Books
Well that is a huge difference. At least with religion you know where we stand, rather than guessing.
3) You support Israel. Share their friendship; share their fate
So, we helped form Israel. What are suppose to do, let dictators bomb the country? Give the Jews to be well treated by the Europeans? We see how they are maltreated by the rest of world.
4) You're not (insert the name of your Country)
We have parts of every country in the USA.
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
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05 Mar 2009, 6:38 am
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Quote:
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't becoming more "Scandinavian" make you more in a position of being "German" and "British", as opposed to being more "American"?
No, Germany started at least two world wars, more like three, but that is debatable. And the UK has been trying to dominate the world since its inception.
Scandinavia is more like a country that plays dead and hopes nobody wants to take it over because it has no defenses.
Lol, I was more thinking of Germany and UK today, not how they were in the 30's.
05 Mar 2009, 6:49 am
05 Mar 2009, 6:50 am
05 Mar 2009, 8:00 am
Henriksson wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Quote:
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't becoming more "Scandinavian" make you more in a position of being "German" and "British", as opposed to being more "American"?
No, Germany started at least two world wars, more like three, but that is debatable. And the UK has been trying to dominate the world since its inception.
Scandinavia is more like a country that plays dead and hopes nobody wants to take it over because it has no defenses.
Lol, I was more thinking of Germany and UK today, not how they were in the 30's.
I know, I was joking.
. But Germans as a whole have a reputation that has persisted over the last millennium with taking over countries. And same with the UK. Just as the USA has reputation of being pushy with other nations to get what it wants.
But remember, Russia and Eastern Germany were hellbent on taking over the world until the 1980s with the Cold War. That is what it was about, stopping the "domino effect" of communism.
Except for people born after 1985, we though of Eastern Europe and most of Asia as evil communist, it was what we were taught, and for the most part, it was true. We even sided with Bin Laudin and Saddam to fight them.
05 Mar 2009, 8:20 am
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Quote:
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't becoming more "Scandinavian" make you more in a position of being "German" and "British", as opposed to being more "American"?
No, Germany started at least two world wars, more like three, but that is debatable. And the UK has been trying to dominate the world since its inception.
Scandinavia is more like a country that plays dead and hopes nobody wants to take it over because it has no defenses.
Lol, I was more thinking of Germany and UK today, not how they were in the 30's.
I know, I was joking.
. But Germans as a whole have a reputation that has persisted over the last millennium with taking over countries. In this case your are quite wrong: Over the most of the last millennium it hard to speak of "Germans as a whole" at all. The political structure of what is today Germany was over centuries hardly in the position to be aggressive at all. There were internal wars, acts of aggression from outside (Louis XIV, Napoleon), but you can't speak of a German state prior 1866/71. If you really have a look in German history the period between Bismark's unification 1871 and 1945 was in a lot of respects the exception of pattern of German politics and history of the more than 1000 years of German history. Why this happened and why this lead into the catastrophe of 1933/45 is still not fully understood. But the current Federal Republic of Germany with its over complex internal structures and its very careful foreign politics is closer to the main stream of German history than any other German regime since 1848.
05 Mar 2009, 8:23 am
05 Mar 2009, 8:34 am
Dussel wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
Quote:
5) Why can't you be more like Scandanavia?
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Because then we would be less like Germany and the UK, which are also great countries.
Pardon me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't becoming more "Scandinavian" make you more in a position of being "German" and "British", as opposed to being more "American"?
No, Germany started at least two world wars, more like three, but that is debatable. And the UK has been trying to dominate the world since its inception.
Scandinavia is more like a country that plays dead and hopes nobody wants to take it over because it has no defenses.
Lol, I was more thinking of Germany and UK today, not how they were in the 30's.
I know, I was joking.
. But Germans as a whole have a reputation that has persisted over the last millennium with taking over countries. In this case your are quite wrong: Over the most of the last millennium it hard to speak of "Germans as a whole" at all. The political structure of what is today Germany was over centuries hardly in the position to be aggressive at all. There were internal wars, acts of aggression from outside (Louis XIV, Napoleon), but you can't speak of a German state prior 1866/71. If you really have a look in German history the period between Bismark's unification 1871 and 1945 was in a lot of respects the exception of pattern of German politics and history of the more than 1000 years of German history. Why this happened and why this lead into the catastrophe of 1933/45 is still not fully understood. But the current Federal Republic of Germany with its over complex internal structures and its very careful foreign politics is closer to the main stream of German history than any other German regime since 1848.
History disagrees. While there was no "German Nation" as a whole before the 1870s, there was the Holy Roman Empire, which where mostly Germanic, and very controlling and dominating. Germans nearly created a world war in the 1870 to form their nation. Then did again in the early 1900s with WWI, and again in the 1930s and 1940s to start WWII. And half were under the control of the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1989 which had a stated mission to control the world. Therefore, most of the last 1000 years of German history has been about a mission to control the world, and started large wars to do so.
