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america leaving Israel? theres gonna be alot of spelling mistakes so just ignore, but i mean really. if america dropped all relations with Israel what would happen to us? what do we gain in a relationship with Israel? do they do anything for us? do we support them? etc. etc. etc.

(Another thread assuming that everyone in the forums are Americans. Why am I surprised.)

Well, since America is the only country in the world, except Israel of course, that is against an independant Palestine, maybe some real progress can be made quicker. However, I highly doubt that America will give up Israel any time soon.

so the rest of the world is for palestine and america is for Israel. gotcha, however i have questions

Hold on, you palooka, did I claim that the rest of the world was against Israel because they are for the idea of Palestine?

well clearify what you said, and you just might solve world peace you expierianced boxer

*Henriksson wonders what was unclear*

OK, I'll make an attempt. You see, when Israel was first formed in 1948, there was another country there, Palestine. The world completely disregarded this, and slogans like 'one people without a country, one country without a people' were chanted, even though that country clearly already had a people. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the consequences of founding Israel while denying Palestine would be a bad idea, but due to the guilt caused by the Holocaust, they went ahead anyway, and one of the greatest mistakes in history were committed.

Now, a better idea would either be two countries side by side, or a Palestine-Israel, but the situation right now is completely untenable. Israel wouldn't be able to get away with it if not for the support of a certain country. But the advocation of a Palestinian state does not negate an Israelian one.

Clear now?

this is absoultley absurd. so because the rest of the world was guilty because of the holocaust they gave Israel its land and nation?

no its not clear, Israel is the size of a cracker. a chip if thats what they call them up there in sweden, Israel earned its right to exist in a land, and guess what? all those arab states ripped off there god! if you read the bible, it talks about the arab and the jew, time to get your read on as far as im concerned ive seen more arabs commiting terrorist acts against everyone instead of jews

Er, yes? The dreams for Israel weren't of much concern for most Jews, but during and after WWII, the movement really got off the ground. Added this with the guilt that the Western world had for the event, Israel was formed. I think it is in no way absurb to think that without Hitler and his crazy anti-semitistic crusade throughout Europe, Israel would never materialize.


OK, do you really think the Arab world would have as much animosity towards Israel if one took Palestine into consideration right from the start?

Also, I was of the impression that Israel is a secular country. The bible doesn't have much weight here, I'm afraid.

nah the rest of the world fought their war for them to win there independence and thats why they are a small cracker worrying about a cracker. its about god. islam wants and almost abuses the right to god, saying blah blah blah if you dont believe as i do, you must die. its called an infedal or whatever. this is why jews are killing everyone who dont believe in there religion? riiiiiiiighhttt.
Israel can be whatever it wants its people elect. so if its secular, it is if its "zionists" ohh scary word there it is. im pretty shure its a democacy much wich im shure is lacking in the arab world

I'm afraid you're not making sense anymore.

im afraid your delusional. so i guess the feelings mutual, maybe if you put the right spellings and punctuation in my typings you'll see

IIRC, the UN created both Israel and Palestine in '48, but the Arab countries all attacked Israel and in the ensuing kicking of their combined asses, the Israelis ended up with the whole enchilada. I don't think anyone in the area could seriously f*ck with the Israelis with or without our support, they have their own defense industry, all they really get from us anymore is aircraft, they build everything else themselves. They're even an exporter of arms, and the US tanker doctrine is largely based on Israeli tactics. Let's also not forget that the Arabs had their own big brother in the form of the USSR for many years, they just backed the wrong horse in the Superpower Sweepstakes, so tough s**t for them. It was even a Soviet deception operation that worked a little too well that triggered the Six Day War that netted the Israelis all this disputed territory, so complain to Putin about it if it makes you feel any better.

They get about $3 billion a year from the US, which is more foreign aid than the US gives any other country.

As to why, I'm not sure except that it seems to involve a deeply political snake pit. I think basically there a just a lot of powerful politicians who are more sympathetic to Israel than the Palestinians. And the American-Isreal Political Action Committee is pretty powerful; I've heard that if you (a politican, I mean) don't show you're with them, they fund your political opponent instead of you to get you defeated in elections. They aren't at all the only organization to do that, they're just big and have the resources to make that a serious threat for most politicans. (Could say the same thing about the oil lobby.) So pretty much all the major American politicians are 'vetted' by AIPAC. Also, legitimate criticisms of Israel can be conflated with anti-semitism which can make the topic a too 'radioactive' for much honest criticism of Israeli policy in the media. Not many politicians are going to go near that with or without a 10-foot pole.

"Also, legitimate criticisms of Israel can be conflated with anti-semitism which can make the topic a too 'radioactive' for much honest criticism of Israeli policy in the media."

It shouldn't be, because even in the Jewish community (believe it or not) some confessions totally disapprove of Israel. =/ And let's not forget, the whole creation of Israel was done in a context of colonisation, so you had all the nice sickening propaganda videos about the perfect white colonist which builds a house in Israel to establish "civilization" in a "barbaric" land (go ahead and do the research, i know i've seen one of those -.- they showed it to us in history of the 20th century class, heh). And yeah, anti-zionists =/= anti-semitism but ofc it's all too convenient for Israel and the jewish lobby to make the ignorant masses think the opposite. >< And as Henriksson said, some events past WW2 made the West feel rather guilty or "sympathetic" to the zionists's cause, one of them being a boat with refugees that made an odd trip back to Germany (can't remember the name of the damn boat, meh).

Still, whatever, that period is long gone -.- whatever sympathy capital they might've generated over the past years has kinda crumbled (speaking for myself at least) with their most recent acts of establishing new "colonies" and "habitations"on their ever increasing illegitimate territory. Which is now protected by! Yet another wall... I've even read and seen that some palestinian villages have been surrounded by said wall to form open sky prisons. There's even fences with security checks across the country, and the kids that could once go directly to school have to make a huge detour, have their backpacks examined and approved in order to cross over to where their school is.

(oh and now that we've reignited the debate about Israel, i'm almost sure Laconvivencia will make an appearance <.<)

I don't approve of everything Israel has done, but if America does not stand in support of Israel, I believe the judgment of God will be felt in its full force against America.

If it wasn't for America using its political clout, Israel would have had several more wars that it has had.

Leave it to the Americans to fear "God"'s will and support Israel instead of any poor country that could need help in its development. <.<