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DentArthurDent
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24 Aug 2009, 4:47 pm

This wonderful quote from Sand "And, of course, if God is omniscient and keeps screwing up as the Bible records, he is not merely clumsy, he is simply nuts." has got me thinking what is wrong with God. Nuts is far to broad a term, I am thinking some sort of Conduct Disorder


Conduct Disorder

The DSM-IV categorises conduct disorder behaviours into four main groupings: (a) aggressive conduct that causes or threatens physical harm to other people or animals, (b) non- aggressive conduct that causes property loss or damage, (c) deceitfulness or theft, and (d) serious violations of rules. Conduct Disorder consists of a repetitive and persistent pattern of behaviours in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate norms or rules of society are violated. Typically there would have been three or more of the following behaviours in the past 12 months, with at least one in the past 6 months:
Aggression to people and animals

*often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others


*often initiates physical fights


* has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., a bat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun)


*has been physically cruel to people


*has been physically cruel to animals


*has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery)


*has forced someone into sexual activity


Destruction of property

*has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage


* has deliberately destroyed others' property (other than by fire setting)
Deceitfulness or theft

*has broken into someone else's house, building, or car


*often lies to obtain goods or favours or to avoid obligations (i.e., "cons" others)


* has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery)



Serious violations of rules (who knows what gods parents had to put up with)

* often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years


* has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period)


* is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years


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24 Aug 2009, 4:57 pm

God is not a real person but the creative forces of the universe is in each one of us. So, it is the individual which is either good, bad, or nuts.


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24 Aug 2009, 5:03 pm

God has Homo sapiens disorder (HSD).



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24 Aug 2009, 5:33 pm

Dent, you know that God, just like all great humans throughout history, is obviously Aspie.

:P :P :lol: :P :wink:


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24 Aug 2009, 6:38 pm

If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.



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24 Aug 2009, 8:26 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.


Then hell awaits us all.


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24 Aug 2009, 10:23 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.


Then hell awaits us all.


We could just be that annoyed by heaven - or at least at the onset. IMO I worship light, truth, everything good, everything on point, if God just happens to be the lesser of two evils and its something like a vote between McCain and Obama, I still have to go with the closest thing - even if seeming a bit shabby in the here and now - to what I want ultimately.



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24 Aug 2009, 10:34 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.


Then hell awaits us all.


We could just be that annoyed by heaven - or at least at the onset. IMO I worship light, truth, everything good, everything on point, if God just happens to be the lesser of two evils and its something like a vote between McCain and Obama, I still have to go with the closest thing - even if seeming a bit shabby in the here and now - to what I want ultimately.


And what if you have no need to worship anything? Subjugation to one nonsense or another seems to me highly neurotic if not psychotic.



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24 Aug 2009, 10:36 pm

Sand wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.


Then hell awaits us all.


We could just be that annoyed by heaven - or at least at the onset. IMO I worship light, truth, everything good, everything on point, if God just happens to be the lesser of two evils and its something like a vote between McCain and Obama, I still have to go with the closest thing - even if seeming a bit shabby in the here and now - to what I want ultimately.


And what if you have no need to worship anything? Subjugation to one nonsense or another seems to me highly neurotic if not psychotic.


Who said anyone was twisting your arm to do anything?



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24 Aug 2009, 10:47 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Sand wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
If you're so big that nothing can harm you - it'd be all too easy to be lax, much the opposite of having a wrathful and angry God I think its more likely we're dealing with some abstract form of Bobby McFerrin.


Then hell awaits us all.


We could just be that annoyed by heaven - or at least at the onset. IMO I worship light, truth, everything good, everything on point, if God just happens to be the lesser of two evils and its something like a vote between McCain and Obama, I still have to go with the closest thing - even if seeming a bit shabby in the here and now - to what I want ultimately.


And what if you have no need to worship anything? Subjugation to one nonsense or another seems to me highly neurotic if not psychotic.


Who said anyone was twisting your arm to do anything?


You spoke of choosing what to worship.



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24 Aug 2009, 11:15 pm

Sand wrote:
Who said anyone was twisting your arm to do anything?


You spoke of choosing what to worship.[/quote]

And....?

You make your issue of the urge to worship - probably try much harder to influence people one way or another than I do.

I'm coming at this from the angle that certain aspects, certain dynamics, I hold in very high esteem - they're IMO what make life worth living. Some look at them as having a source, that source is defined by truth therefore our knowledge of that source based on our knowledge of the world gets closer and closer to being accurate - that's my own faith.

Still have no idea why my choice to hold a particular set of values corrupts your ability to be you and to believe whatever you choose to.



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25 Aug 2009, 12:01 am

Orwell wrote:
Dent, you know that God, just like all great humans throughout history, is obviously Aspie.

:P :P :lol: :P :wink:


obviously...too bad It left everything in the hands of N/T's who get too concerned with all the wrong stuff and fail to see the bigger picture.


Philosophical question/thread coming up from me....not really related but kinda related.


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25 Aug 2009, 5:20 am

Orwell wrote:
Dent, you know that God, just like all great humans throughout history, is obviously Aspie.

:P :P :lol: :P :wink:


Slaps hand with head OF COURSE ! !! !! !! !! !! !! that explains everything. His word is true because 'aspies' cannot lie, he is infallible because it is never the 'aspie' whom is at fault, created the universe as only an 'aspie' could because it is only our kind that has the sheer brilliance and inventiveness to do so, Eighteen of the twenty four thrones are now filled here are the occupants

Albert Einstein, WA Mozart, Sir I Newton, T Jefferson, Michelangelo, E Blair (congratulations to our prestigious WP correspondent) H Cavendish, C Darwin, J Joyce, N Tesla, L Carroll, W.B Yeats, A Hitler ( terribly misunderstood), A Turing, H. C. Anderson, E Dickinson, C Richter, B. Russell (given the specific and arduous task of faith testing).

And this of course clears up some of the confusion for who will make up the 144 souls to go to heaven all will be 'aspies'

:lol: :wink:


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25 Aug 2009, 7:57 am

I suspect that we might be looking at Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

Has a grandiose sense of self-importance
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love (megalomania)
Believes they are "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status
Requires excessive admiration
Has a sense of entitlement
Is interpersonally exploitative
Lacks empathy
Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes


Unfortunately, NPD isn't very treatable because it requires the person to admit they have a problem. Which they won't. It's everyone else who has the problem....the problem being they don't worship the narcissist enough.

Another possible view, though, is that much of the behavior exhibited by God in the Old Testament is simply classic 'alpha male' behavior in its lowest form: obsessed with status and pecking order, making sure the old silverbacks get the best of everything, keeping down the lower males and the uppity females, and who's got the biggest banana, or thunderbolt. Not just a God made in man's image (that's 'man' as in 'XY' as well as in 'human'), but a God made in the image of man's more primitive instincts. Not really a case for a shrink, more for a primatologist.

I'm really rather glad I live in a society where belief in this kind of God isn't obligatory.


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29 Aug 2009, 8:23 am

God thinks he is God.

Perhaps he should just chill out and mind his own business.



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29 Aug 2009, 1:37 pm

Wombat wrote:
God thinks he is God.

Perhaps he should just chill out and mind his own business.


God Complex, of course.


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