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Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of government.

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

QFT!! !!

ruveyn

And therefor you prefer a society with no laws wherein you crouch behind your barricades and await whatever gang of brutal savages may come screaming and shooting over the top.

Did I say I prefer no laws. I prefer just and properly enforceable laws, but there are few of those. What does our government pass? Laws against smoking pot and calling racial minorities nasty names. Is that the best they can do?

ruveyn

So you cherry pick a couple that have problems. What percentage is that?

i hate agreeing with ruveyn.

the only problem is that he often makes accurate observations.

sand: relax. he's obviously not saying that all laws are inherently unenforceable, he's saying that some laws are stupid and only serve political purposes. the cannabis growing in my fishtank is just fine with the california government. anaheim (i live 3 blocks from disneyland) is, likewise, fine with it. if the DEA wanted, they would be able to arrest me and successfully prosecute me. i would go to prison for the ONE plant in my home.

i live in the middle of a block and there's a market right across the street. it is a large, relatively low-traffic, street. i can walk about 300 meters to get to the store by walking across the street while there aren't any cars or i can walk about 1100 meters to get there by walking to the nearest intersection with a crosswalk and crossing there. in the first example, i am breaking the law, no matter how safe i am about doing it.

so maybe ruveyn has a point where he's agreeing with proudhon?

maybe the world isn't perfect (something i'm pretty sure we all agree on).

maybe that doesn't mean we shouldn't try?

At least with written laws, you can make some judgment as to the risks involved in violating or evading the laws.

With unwritten laws, you are at the total mercy of whoever feels he has the authority to punish any perceived violation.

definitely a plus.

These quotes are all interesting, but I still can't figure out what they have to do with quantum field theory.

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Obviously in his pursuit of the dismissal of all government ruveyn is dismissing laws altogether. He's just being silly. No doubt there are stupid laws as well as there are good ones. So fix the bad ones and improve the good ones. What's the big deal?

Since I am afraid this might not be a joke though, QFT can mean "quoted for truth", as it likely does in this instance.

That was off the top of my head and took under a tenth of a second. If I worked at it I could come up with hundreds of unjust or just plain stupid laws. The scoundrels of the world wrap the banner of Law about them.

ruveyn

Quoting from the Proud homme topic

A line from the Notebooks of P.J. Proudhon: "By fire or fusion, or by expulsion, the Jews must disappear." Der fuhrer must have picked up on this. Not someone I would want to take advice from.

Next.

Did you know that a broken clock tells the right time twice a day?

ruveyn

Whenever I hear the name Proudhon, I think of the quote (often attributed to Karl Marx): Property is theft.

I am guessing you would not agree with that one. But like you say, even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

I understand what he's implying through the quote, though. Look up the relationship between legislation of penalties for broken laws and the private jails who lobby those legislators and judges who pass down sentencing or establish sentencing guidelines. Laws can easily be created by the rich to target and ensnare the poor. It should be the other way around but unfortunately, we couldn't get good enough funding for some reason.