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08 Jun 2010, 4:28 pm

An Afghan parliament member suggested that Afghan Christians should be rounded up and executed:

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An Afghan parliamentary secretary has called for the public execution of Christian converts from the parliament floor, according to International Christian Concern.

On Tuesday, the Associated Free Press reported that Abdul Sattar Khawasi, deputy secretary of the Afghan lower house in parliament, called for the execution of Christian converts from Islam.

Speaking in regards to a video broadcast by the Afghan television network Noorin TV showing footage of Christian men being baptized and praying in Farsi, Khawasi said, "Those Afghans that appeared in this video film should be executed in public. The house should order the attorney general and the NDS (intelligence agency) to arrest these Afghans and execute them."

An ICC spokesperson told ASSIST News Service that the broadcast triggered a protest by hundreds of Kabul University students on Monday, who shouted death threats and demanded the expulsion of Christian foreigners accused of proselytising.

As a result, the operations of Norwegian Church Aid (NCA) and US-based Church World Service (CWS) have been suspended over allegations of proselytising.

The ICC spokesperson said the Afghan government was currently undertaking an intensive investigation into the matter.

"According to Afghan law, proselytising is illegal and conversion from Islam is punishable by death," the spokesperson said.

ICC sources within Afghanistan have reported that many national Christians are in hiding, fearful of execution. Under government pressure during investigations, some Afghans have reportedly revealed names and locations of Christian converts.

Aidan Clay, ICC Regional Manager for the Middle East, said, "It is absolutely appalling that the execution of Christians would be promoted on the floor of the Afghan parliament.

"Khawasi's statement sounded a whole lot like the tyrannical manifesto of the Taliban not that of a US ally. American lives are being lost fighting terrorism and defending freedom in Afghanistan - yet Christians are being oppressed within Afghan borders.

"This comes after billions of US dollars have been invested in the war effort, and millions more have been given in aid. The US government must intervene to protect the religious freedoms and human rights of all Afghans. The US is not a mere outside bystander - but, is closely intertwined within Afghan policy."

Clay added, "Intervention is not a choice, but a responsibility, as Afghan policies reflect the US government's ability and commitment to secure a stable government in Afghanistan."


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08 Jun 2010, 4:42 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
An Afghan parliament member suggested that Afghan Christians should be rounded up and executed:

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An Afghan parliamentary secretary has called for the public execution of Christian converts from the parliament floor, according to International Christian Concern.

On Tuesday, the Associated Free Press reported that Abdul Sattar Khawasi, deputy secretary of the Afghan lower house in parliament, called for the execution of Christian converts from Islam.

Speaking in regards to a video broadcast by the Afghan television network Noorin TV showing footage of Christian men being baptized and praying in Farsi, Khawasi said, "Those Afghans that appeared in this video film should be executed in public. The house should order the attorney general and the NDS (intelligence agency) to arrest these Afghans and execute them."

An ICC spokesperson told ASSIST News Service that the broadcast triggered a protest by hundreds of Kabul University students on Monday, who shouted death threats and demanded the expulsion of Christian foreigners accused of proselytising.

As a result, the operations of Norwegian Church Aid (NCA) and US-based Church World Service (CWS) have been suspended over allegations of proselytising.

The ICC spokesperson said the Afghan government was currently undertaking an intensive investigation into the matter.

"According to Afghan law, proselytising is illegal and conversion from Islam is punishable by death," the spokesperson said.

ICC sources within Afghanistan have reported that many national Christians are in hiding, fearful of execution. Under government pressure during investigations, some Afghans have reportedly revealed names and locations of Christian converts.

Aidan Clay, ICC Regional Manager for the Middle East, said, "It is absolutely appalling that the execution of Christians would be promoted on the floor of the Afghan parliament.

"Khawasi's statement sounded a whole lot like the tyrannical manifesto of the Taliban not that of a US ally. American lives are being lost fighting terrorism and defending freedom in Afghanistan - yet Christians are being oppressed within Afghan borders.

"This comes after billions of US dollars have been invested in the war effort, and millions more have been given in aid. The US government must intervene to protect the religious freedoms and human rights of all Afghans. The US is not a mere outside bystander - but, is closely intertwined within Afghan policy."

Clay added, "Intervention is not a choice, but a responsibility, as Afghan policies reflect the US government's ability and commitment to secure a stable government in Afghanistan."


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This is a call to mass murder, and must be addressed by all democratic nations by intervention in order to stop this crime before it happens. My member of parliament needs to be informed. 8O


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08 Jun 2010, 4:59 pm

afganisatan such dirty politics, but who is the abusive partner the afgan government or nato?



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08 Jun 2010, 5:04 pm

And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


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08 Jun 2010, 5:18 pm

The punishment for apostasy is death. This isn't out of the ordinary, horrible as it is.
We better free the s*** out of them to be sure.



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09 Jun 2010, 1:06 pm

The C.I,A should make that Afghan parliament member who said that have a deadly "accident" or a deadly run in with an "insurgent" I.E.D. Then let the other parliment members who think genocide is a good idea that "accidents" happen all the time. There is no reason for someone like that should be in a leadership posistion.



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11 Jun 2010, 2:55 pm

Orwell wrote:
And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


Yes and that is the reason the west is entitled to invade their countries plunder their natural resources and kill thousands in the process. Look at the Iraqi conflict the U.S. has killed one million Iraqis. So much for an "advanced culture" isn´t it?



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11 Jun 2010, 3:09 pm

Wedge wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


Yes and that is the reason the west is entitled to invade their countries plunder their natural resources and kill thousands in the process. Look at the Iraqi conflict the U.S. has killed one million Iraqis. So much for an "advanced culture" isn´t it?


Well, at least no one in the American parliament would call for the execution of people just because of what religion they belong to. In that particular instance, Orwell has it right.



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11 Jun 2010, 3:22 pm

Jono wrote:
Wedge wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


Yes and that is the reason the west is entitled to invade their countries plunder their natural resources and kill thousands in the process. Look at the Iraqi conflict the U.S. has killed one million Iraqis. So much for an "advanced culture" isn´t it?


Well, at least no one in the American parliament would call for the execution of people just because of what religion they belong to. In that particular instance, Orwell has it right.


Just a technicality, but the U.S. has two legislative branches, neither called parliament, but instead Congress and Senate. It's sort of like a "house of commons" and a "house of lords" except that both are filled with Patricians and neither with any Plebeians.



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11 Jun 2010, 3:26 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Jono wrote:
Wedge wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


Yes and that is the reason the west is entitled to invade their countries plunder their natural resources and kill thousands in the process. Look at the Iraqi conflict the U.S. has killed one million Iraqis. So much for an "advanced culture" isn´t it?


Well, at least no one in the American parliament would call for the execution of people just because of what religion they belong to. In that particular instance, Orwell has it right.


Just a technicality, but the U.S. has two legislative branches, neither called parliament, but instead Congress and Senate. It's sort of like a "house of commons" and a "house of lords" except that both are filled with Patricians and neither with any Plebeians.


I wasn't thinking. No one in the U.S. congress would call for the execution of people just because of what religion they belong to. .



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11 Jun 2010, 3:57 pm

Wedge wrote:
Orwell wrote:
And this is why cultural relativism is BS. Some cultures are inferior to others, with one of the prime examples being that Middle Eastern Islamic cultures are inferior to modern Western cultures.


Yes and that is the reason the west is entitled to invade their countries plunder their natural resources and kill thousands in the process. Look at the Iraqi conflict the U.S. has killed one million Iraqis. So much for an "advanced culture" isn´t it?

Our wars are actually quantitatively less destructive than those of primitive peoples like the traditional tribes of Afghanistan. And as Jono pointed out, we do not have people in positions of power who are in favor of murdering people based on their religious beliefs.

Also, I don't believe I ever endorsed the war in Iraq. That was a colossal mistake. So your criticism is not only wrong, but also irrelevant.


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12 Jun 2010, 7:43 am

Topcat16 wrote:
afganisatan such dirty politics, but who is the abusive partner the afgan government or nato?


In a mud wrestling match, which opponent is dirtier?

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12 Jun 2010, 12:27 pm

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The punishment for apostasy is death. This isn't out of the ordinary, horrible as it is.
We better free the s*** out of them to be sure.


the barbarism of western society is much more humorous than the barbarism of certain, often highlighted, regions.



maybe this is just another example of why religious fundamentalists shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of anything but their own crappy book clubs.


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14 Jun 2010, 6:05 am

waltur wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
The punishment for apostasy is death. This isn't out of the ordinary, horrible as it is.
We better free the s*** out of them to be sure.


the barbarism of western society is much more humorous than the barbarism of certain, often highlighted, regions.



maybe this is just another example of why religious fundamentalists shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of anything but their own crappy book clubs.


"and the world won't wait for the truth upon a plate but we're ready now to feast on an atheist peace."
-atheist peace, bad religion.


I think it is partially due to the rise of atheism in Western cultures that is going to be the downfall of Western culture. This is how: while atheists go about advocating this and that, lampooning Christianity, and otherwise kevetching that the Star Trek universe isn't here yet, the Islamic community is still following "be fruitful and multiply" and will eventually take over the once Western nations merely by demographics. While you all may make fun of terminology used by Bush and whatever else, the F.U.N. of Sharia law approaches....



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14 Jun 2010, 4:07 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
waltur wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
The punishment for apostasy is death. This isn't out of the ordinary, horrible as it is.
We better free the s*** out of them to be sure.


the barbarism of western society is much more humorous than the barbarism of certain, often highlighted, regions.



maybe this is just another example of why religious fundamentalists shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of anything but their own crappy book clubs.


"and the world won't wait for the truth upon a plate but we're ready now to feast on an atheist peace."
-atheist peace, bad religion.


I think it is partially due to the rise of atheism in Western cultures that is going to be the downfall of Western culture. This is how: while atheists go about advocating this and that, lampooning Christianity, and otherwise kevetching that the Star Trek universe isn't here yet, the Islamic community is still following "be fruitful and multiply" and will eventually take over the once Western nations merely by demographics. While you all may make fun of terminology used by Bush and whatever else, the F.U.N. of Sharia law approaches....





yes.... because the answer to irrational religious fundamentalism is.... ...a lighter color of irrational religious fundamentalism?!¿

the islamic world isn't even entirely under sharia law.

and my favorite bush-terminology is "strategery." it came from SNL, not GWB, but was adopted by carl rove for their political strategy meetings.

-ffs don't laugh at that though, the muslims are trying to make mormons look like they hate having kids! if you take the time to laugh at a twice-elected (once by popular vote, even!) officials poor grasp of the language of his electorate, THE TERRORISTS WIN!

and by "terrorists" i mean muslims, in an offensive way, as mockery of your fearmongering.


christianity is still getting over the whole "o,mfg told me to have more kids than i could actually support, likely because most of the babies birthed back then didn't make it far enough to have more kids" thing. they'll get there eventually. they seem somewhat less warmongery than they used to be, and less STRIDENT in the spread of their particular brand of magic. why wouldn't the muslims follow the same pattern? modern american christians, for the most part, have gotten pretty good at selective observance. no need to stone hookers and adulterers, gambling is fun, premarital and extramarital sex not that big of a deal.... how long until the muslim-cleric-molester stories come out and muslims realize that the priest class is just a cheap knockoff of the rich class that doesn't give as much back (and that's saying something)?

"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"




like your god is any better than theirs.


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14 Jun 2010, 4:14 pm

waltur wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
waltur wrote:
Asmodeus wrote:
The punishment for apostasy is death. This isn't out of the ordinary, horrible as it is.
We better free the s*** out of them to be sure.


the barbarism of western society is much more humorous than the barbarism of certain, often highlighted, regions.



maybe this is just another example of why religious fundamentalists shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of anything but their own crappy book clubs.


"and the world won't wait for the truth upon a plate but we're ready now to feast on an atheist peace."
-atheist peace, bad religion.


I think it is partially due to the rise of atheism in Western cultures that is going to be the downfall of Western culture. This is how: while atheists go about advocating this and that, lampooning Christianity, and otherwise kevetching that the Star Trek universe isn't here yet, the Islamic community is still following "be fruitful and multiply" and will eventually take over the once Western nations merely by demographics. While you all may make fun of terminology used by Bush and whatever else, the F.U.N. of Sharia law approaches....





yes.... because the answer to irrational religious fundamentalism is.... ...a lighter color of irrational religious fundamentalism?!¿

the islamic world isn't even entirely under sharia law.

and my favorite bush-terminology is "strategery." it came from SNL, not GWB, but was adopted by carl rove for their political strategy meetings.

-ffs don't laugh at that though, the muslims are trying to make mormons look like they hate having kids! if you take the time to laugh at a twice-elected (once by popular vote, even!) officials poor grasp of the language of his electorate, THE TERRORISTS WIN!

and by "terrorists" i mean muslims, in an offensive way, as mockery of your fearmongering.


christianity is still getting over the whole "o,mfg told me to have more kids than i could actually support, likely because most of the babies birthed back then didn't make it far enough to have more kids" thing. they'll get there eventually. they seem somewhat less warmongery than they used to be, and less STRIDENT in the spread of their particular brand of magic. why wouldn't the muslims follow the same pattern? modern american christians, for the most part, have gotten pretty good at selective observance. no need to stone hookers and adulterers, gambling is fun, premarital and extramarital sex not that big of a deal.... how long until the muslim-cleric-molester stories come out and muslims realize that the priest class is just a cheap knockoff of the rich class that doesn't give as much back (and that's saying something)?

"Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"




like your god is any better than theirs.


This is exactly the line of reasoning which will enable atheists to kick their own butts. You'll see it in Europe first, and then in America.