Do you think this pro-israel rally is hateful?

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Pro-israel rally in front of Turkish consulate in LA. Now, I don't even need to go into whether Israel did any wrong. However, 9 people just died, including 8 from Turkey. I find it disrespectful that these people would go to the Turkish consolute and rub it in their face.
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I believe their argument would be that Turkey supported the flotilla, and has made some other responses against Israel, so they would be protesting against what they view as unfair or inappropriate actions on the part of the Turkish government.

Whether they are right or not is an entirely different matter, and I will follow your lead in leaving that wasp nest the hell alone.

Even if the people on the flotilla decided to get violent with the Israeli commandos, i don't see how Turkey is responsible for this.

It's gullible and misinformed. Just like most Israeli supporters. They're suckered into the game of identity politics rather than actually observing practical politics.

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Such demonstration rallies are always nasty, whether pro or anti (insert name of nation/state here).

I am not convinced that Israel is a bully or a terror nation. but I am convinced that other nations, especially those in the Middle East, hold Israel to a separate set of standards.

When the Palestinians finally get their own state, then we will see what happens if they launch their own wave of terror upon Israel, unless other Islamic states wake up and finally find democracy.

People tend to hold the haves to a higher standard than the have-nots.

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So, keet, what you're saying is that Israel, a country of extreme right views and moderate centrist views, held a pro-Israeli rally in opposition to Turkey? With reading their media, I would have never expected such a response.

the israeli government is not as bad as many governments but i have issue with it's treatment of people of another country (Palestine) and the fact that they are so highly supported by the united states. I'm sure their homeland policies are quite reasonable towards citizens.

It seems odd to be so zealous and insensitive over an issue such as this to protest such an issue. who are they defending?

Also it is kind of sad that it has taken this long and as many people dying without change to even grace the international stage with slight disdain for Israel's actions.

the people of Gaza are basically being kept prisoners in their country. people are dying daily as direct result of blocks on food, medical supplies etc. the Israeli government have carved up the border preventing Palestinians moving conveniently within Gaza.

If it were not for this then there would not be any aid boats needing to reach Gaza.

I cannot believe how anybody with any education about the issue can think otherwise.

Did they hold it in opposition to Turkey? Turkey allowed the ship to launch, the ship which contained an insane crew hoping for the Islamic form of martyrdom. But the pro-Israel rally was not in opposition to Turkey, unless it is a logical necessity that one must either be pro-Israel or pro-Turkey which in this case it isn't so much that. Certainly the rally was in support of Israel and the IDF, but it could only be considered in opposition to Turkey if Turkey were to have intentionally allowed a rabies-infected crew to attempt to travel through the blockade.

BTW, did you know that,

Israel transfers about 15,000 tons of supplies and humanitarian aid every week to the people of Gaza?

Israel offered the ship to dock in Ashdod port and they would transfer the aid to Gaza. This offer was made again and again - and they refused?

Israel has said that it will deliver any humanitarian aid that was in the boats to Gaza, as it does daily?

And that the ship was funded and organized by a Turkish Islamist organization (IHH) that has links to fundamentalist jihadi groups?

The narrative of being a victim is a key part to the Jewish culture...at least as how Zionists would have us believe it. That and the chosen people narrative/inexplicably harder worker/"I'm just better than you" narrative that also pervades a lot of Zionist rhetoric.

Add those two with the Zionists capitalizing on identity politics and trying to anchor zionist beliefs as core to Judaism and you get those other beliefs. It's not pretty and because the brainwashing is so effective, any attempt to go against it is met with quite a force*.



*After all, they've the best damned people in the world who have always been screwed at every turn...how dare you try to oppress them again!! ! NEVER FORGET!! ! NEVER FORGIVE!! !

Actually, it is "Never again!", as in "Never will we let what the Germans did to us happen again." Certainly never forgetting the events about the Holocaust is entailed, although never forgiving is not entailed. It is one thing to never forget what has happened, especially so as to be vigilant against a similar re-occurrence. But forgiving one's former abusers and enemies is not to forget the events that took place. Forgetting is to enforce ignorance of history, and not forgiving at all, since one cannot forgive something of which they are ignorant. Only crimes which a person has knowledge of can be forgiven.

Fine let's talk practical politics.

If your intention is to get aid delivered to Gaza, what's the practical way to go about it? Provoke an expected military response from Israel, or cooperate with the blockading force? 15,000 tons of aid gets into Gaza legitimately every week. Dozens of aid organizations are on the ground. But successfully delivering material is not worthy of headlines, is it?

The desirable end goal is a peaceful coexistence of the two populations. But that must be predicated on two stable governments that have effective control of their territories. Is this practicable under a Hamas controlled Palestinian Administration?

If the blockade were lifted tomorrow, what would the reaction of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria be? While Egypt has certainly put its position out there that the Blockade hasn't worked, I find it signal that they have no intention of allowing large scale movement of goods through Rafah.

Meanwhile, it is difficult to understand what the Turkish government is playing at. They are a NATO member, with aspirations to join the European Union. While political support for the Palestinian People and the the Palestinian Authority is a viable foreign policy, any overt support of the IHH or destabilization of the region is going to be looked upon askance.

The Flotilla was a deliberate provocation by the Turkish government which is now frankly pro-Islamist. For years Turkey was a secular state with a Muslim majority in its population. How it is an overtly pro-Islamist state.

If the Turkish government wanted to get genuinely necessary material to Gaza they could have stopped at Ashdod (as you pointed out), had the cargo inspected and have legitimate cargo shipped to Gaza at Israel's expense. That would have been the way to go if the intention was to help the people of Gaza. But that was not the intention at all.

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That is all.