North Korea a puppet for China and Communism

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In the wake of recent event's surrounding the Yeonpyeong Island incident, I felt it proper to touch base and group my thoughts on this subject. In the past few weeks China has been increasingly concerned with the Feds QE2. Our inflation is China's loss and they want full payback with interest for the US debt China currently owns which is 2 trillion in dollars. China has been diversifying out of the dollar more, and it's clear tensions are heated and continue to sour. My belief is that the Fed is purposely devaluing the currency with inflation, in order to pay back it's debts faster before the world adopts a new reserve currency thus replacing the dollar. China is against these actions and have showed it before the G20 summit in Korea by launching ICBM's off our coast showing defiance. The Korean artillery attack shook Asia's markets and lowered their stability, in return the American market gained. Could it have been directed by Chinese officials ? Or just a spontaneous response by North Korea for the military exercise of South Koreans in that region.. It remains a mystery for now. However, I believe more quantitative easing will occur within the next few months and our unemployment rate may peak at 25% (22% current). The escalation of conflict is almost certain with the Korea's, and the prospect of a war would almost certainly cause global tensions to rise even higher. China use's North Korea as a tool, while the South is boosted by the West.. I wouldn't want to see another Vietnam. My question is what are the predictions for the future in regards to this subject? Will the US continue inflating the currency or stop? Will North Korea continue escalation and hold hostile attitudes towards the South and West ? How will China respond and will it lower it's currency even more ? I'm interested in seeing responses..

When it comes down to it, I don't think the Chinese really give a flying f**k about North Korea. If its between a superficially shared ideology with a fringe country that everybody's afraid of and trade with the rest of the world, China will most likely side with the rest of the world. I read that 90% of the billionaires in China are related to people who had political clout in the communist party before Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms in the late 80's. It makes sense. The people in control of the economy would have had first dibs on business deals. Neither country are really communist, because its ultimately a ruling elite that are ultimately in control of the means of production, not unlike oligarchic capitalism. The Hutterites are true communists, the Catalonian anarchists were true communists, the Paris commune was true communism, but neither of those nation states are.

North Korea has the potential to be an enormously destabilizing influence in NE Asia--and that does not serve the interests of the People's Republic one little bit.

If there ever appeared to be a significant lapse in command and control in Pyongyang, I think you can count on the tanks rolling across the Yalu River in record time.

This recent shelling certainly seems to be indicative of such a lapse.

Meh. What's a few conventional shells between enemies.

First one to lob a nuke and we start getting worried.

If nukes end up being used, then by the time people act, it would have been already too late.

Conventional shelling is larger than what's been previously going on. Or am I wrong on that? I thought all the previous exchanges were more along the lines of a few guys getting over the border and shooting up people?

North Korea sank a South Korean ship this past spring. I question whether the shelling is bigger than that.

Keep in mind that these two countries are still at war. There is a cease fire lin on land, but there was never an agreed line at sea, and the shelling occurred in territory that's still disputed.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I think your both right. This situation occurred due to one of two reasons.

1) Panic on the Norther side when the South was testing their weapons. This is unlikely (the barrage lasted about an hour which is far longer than the day to day clashes).

2) An order from the central command. This is far more likely. The North likes to remind the world that they are still threatening and dangerous. The last thing they want is to be forgotten like all the other backwards kleptocracies out there. They knew the south would be engaging in war-games. They as usual threatened the south for having the temerity to take any independent action. Then most likely the decided to shell the snot out of the island in order to prove how big and powerful they are . Also if you don't think NK plans this stuff in advance, check out the 'axe murder incident'.

As to the assertion that this was a Chinese plot; I doubt it. China obviously wants to have the North as a buffer against a reunified Korea but the two governments dont seem to get along too well. There was a report a couple of years ago that China told NK to stop all these shenanigans and adopt the authoritarian capitalist model that Beijing uses. Kim Jon-Ill apparently responded by describing Deng Xiaoping as a sellout to communism.

NK traditionally views these sorts of actions as 'cash crops'. They do something that seems irrational then the sanctions kick in, then they don't work; cause the government does not care about the people. Then the aid comes in (their economy is smaller than Costa Rica's). There is a theory running around that Kim Join-Il is doing all these things to provide his son with victories and a fear climate so as to ensure the succession; but its NK and its hard to know for sure.

South Korea started this latest trouble by simulating an invasion of North Korea. The whole thing was a misunderstanding and future events should proceed from that.

Yea, how dare those South Koreans train for the war the North keeps threatening. Also the extreme command and control in effect on the border does not let the NK troops do almost anything without orders from higher up. Let along continue to shell for an hour.

War is officially still on. Right now South Korea is ruled by a warmonger who caused the death of his predecessor whose only crime was favouring peace.

I have no idea where your coming from xenon13. This stuff is pretty baseless (this is also not the first time you have asserted nonsense; for instance your allegation that Israel shot Hariri); was the bribery that Roh Moo-hyun was involved in legit?

"I have lost my moral cause just with the facts I have so far admitted. The only thing left is the legal procedure"- Roh Moo-hyun

"What I have to do now is bow to the nation and apologize. From now on, the name Roh cannot be a symbol of the values you pursue. I'm no longer qualified to speak about democracy and justice.... You should abandon me."- Roh Moo-hyun

People who kill themselves are under tremendous pressure in their own minds... it's widely believed that the war monger drove this man to his death and that's a legitimate opinion. This is a war monger running South Korea.

By the way, South Korea was viciously raped in 1998 by the international financial mafia. That was far worse than this trivial incident that just happened because of the South Korean leader's stupidity.

As for Israel killing Hariri, they had the motive and they have profited handsomely from the murder. None of these tribunals have any credibility whatsoever. Israeli spies have been busted repeatedly and were caught up in some other assassinations in Lebanon. They were caught in the Lebanese phone system. By the way, who cares about Hariri. Why a stupid tribunal for this insignficiant man?