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03 Dec 2010, 2:41 pm

Finish the racists for good?

There is alot of hubbub made about "racist trolls" and bigoted subversives all over the place. Liberals relentlessly crusade against public enemy #1........... Racists.

So much hubbub is made about the racist elements, which is preventing ultimate acceptance of blacks, muslims, and other minorities into our paradigm.

But where is this racist presence? I think its gone underground.

As much as liberals decry racists, I've never actually seen them completely formulate a plan to stomp out racism once and for all.

There is certainly no lack of zealotry directed against racists whenever these bigots pop up like whack-a-moles. Every time a racist pops up on a forum, every effort is made to smash him until the equilibrium gets restored.

Does the fact of even being a racist (or just labeled one for that matter,) automatically discredit a person's opinion?

Once a person is labled 'racist,' it seems even if he has a good arguement or valid points, the whole agenda becomes about his racism and not his other arguments. Does the racist tag automatically completely invalidate a poster? Subscribing to a supposedly obsolete viewpoint must surely negate the racist in all walks?

But it doesn't seem the liberals have much of a plan to stomp out guerrilla racist operators on forums once and for all.

Overt and vocal racists have certainly been expelled from consensus politics, as well as workplaces, education, and pretty much every other public sphere. Anyone harboring racist sentiments goes underground or is kept on the outs of national life. The intense level at which PC is applied makes it frustratingly difficult on its own to identify and spot racists. Most people with racist views do a very good job of hiding it in their diverse workplaces. It is the kiss of death for any white in a position of power to make a racist statement.

So the liberals seem to have a general plan of reducing white people with demographic changes and immigration, and imposing PC thought control, sensitivity training, quotas and shortlists to ensure minority presences in any workplace or club to keep a close eye on everyone, and many other measures.

This is a good GENERAL plan for completely reshaping America into their own beige image, but then again, they will never completely smooth over White America, at least not in the next 100 years. There will still be those racist trolls hopping about internet forums and spewing their heresy. Those racists will still be planting those little seeds in people's heads................ operating in one-man-wrecking-crews against the liberal multicultural-one-race ethoses.

How will the increasingly dominant and bullying Left stamp out these racists once and for all?

Will the racists be "cured" and/or brainwashed with years of forced sensitivity training (possibly in camps?)

Sheer liquidation? Chemical castration? Lobotomized?

Will children of identified racists be separated from their parents? I imagine any identified racist troll would be sequestered and isolated. Who knows?

Free reeducation?

What is the definite plan to eliminate racism once and for all? As much as liberals decry it, what is the grand strategy besides the crapshoot efforts against operators on internet forums? There has to be some grander design in place?

Surely the "better than though," uber-smart liberal professors have some master plan. They are so intelligent that surely they have thought of everything. All of those doctorates in sociology and they can't think of even a plan to finish off racism and execute it............... tisk tisk, tut tut.

All of their diverse plans for America are so impressive and well thought out, that surely there has to be some contingency to decisively deal with dissenters and heretics. I doubt they'd leave guerrillas in the rear.



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03 Dec 2010, 2:46 pm

First of all the label "racist" is just a tool used by the left to attempt to discredit people. You don't agree with them and can't beat them in a debate, just call them a "racist."

Thing is the label has been so overused it doesn't mean anything anymore.



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03 Dec 2010, 4:50 pm

There is nothing special about racism. African A is prejudiced against African B on racial grounds. It is only one manifestation of the Green Monkey principle, and the Uniformitarian impulse.

Here and now you discredit someone by calling him racist [though some think that is about to be replaced. Certain other times and places, reactionary, aristocrat, deviationist, niggerlover, commie, Jew, and so on and so forth served the same function. In political debate you need some way to silence and discredit your opponent thast does not force you to have facts and reason,



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03 Dec 2010, 5:40 pm

I'm not sure if Heydrich actually said it, but there was a quote in the Wannsee conference movie "Conspiracy," voiced by Kenneth Brannagh playing Reinhard Heydrich.

"We have eliminated the Jew from our national life...... The next step is the elimination of the Jew himself."

Its not much of a stretch to fabricate a quote from some liberal professor:

"We have eliminated the racist from our national life. The next step is the physical removal of the racist himself."

Once the racists have completely been removed from the acceptable consensus, what is to stop the next step being taken, which is the actual liquidation of the racists? Step 1 to Step 2 to Step 3.



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03 Dec 2010, 5:46 pm

That isn't likely to work because we happen to be one of the most heavily armed nations in the world. The 2nd Amendment exists for a reason.



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03 Dec 2010, 6:23 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
First of all the label "racist" is just a tool used by the left to attempt to discredit people. You don't agree with them and can't beat them in a debate, just call them a "racist."

Thing is the label has been so overused it doesn't mean anything anymore.


Except that its still a perfectly accurate word to describe unpleasant individuals who make ridiculous statements about inferiority/superiority based on unfounded BS. There are plenty of those around. It means exactly what it means, and people crying that its over-used are often the first ones to come out with spurious Stormfront BS.

They do get beaten in debate. They just refuse to admit it, because figuratively speaking they have their fingers jammed in their ears and their humming loudly so the common sense can't get inside and overwhelm the "f*****g Stupid".


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03 Dec 2010, 7:14 pm

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It means exactly what it means, and people crying that its over-used are often the first ones to come out with spurious Stormfront BS


I've been saying it's often overused for quite some time now...

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03 Dec 2010, 7:31 pm

That's the 3rd thread you've started about race. There was the "Africanize the Founding Fathers" thread and the "Ebonics" thread. The impression that you have a problem with black people is unavoidable.



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03 Dec 2010, 7:35 pm

Janissy Wrote:

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That's the 3rd thread you've started about race.


^ Is there a quota?

Seriously though, it seems like the whole anti-racist strategy is just to chase down individual racists when they show themselves, but not impliment a larger grand solution to truly finish off racism and racists once and for all.

Anyhow, I also agree with the sentiment that the whole "racist" label is overused and just a buzzword to discredit an argument/poster instead of actually having to put forth effort to refute the position. So I'm in that camp.



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03 Dec 2010, 8:10 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHKIMOgoJoU[/youtube]



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03 Dec 2010, 9:14 pm

There will always be racists. It is inherent in human nature.

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03 Dec 2010, 9:57 pm

The term "racist" kind of bothers me in its definition. As we're all the same generic "race" per se. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KLg1DTGT-I[/youtube]

As this little old cartoon explains. And this one was to exemplify the greatest obstacle to discussion and listening, which is fear : (that last sentence was from my class and i do not claim any ownership to it. :P )

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqh6Ap9ldTs[/youtube]

Note that it is taken from "Bowling for Columbine" by Michael Moore. <.<



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04 Dec 2010, 1:30 am

ruveyn wrote:
There will always be racists. It is inherent in human nature.

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That is true, but one can effect the degree and influence of racist attitudes. While everyone will have racial prejudices at some level, by raising consciousness about the fact (rather than outright denying it) that it exists, racist prejudices can be made causally impotent.i

I'd also like to comment that there's a certainly foolish absolutism present in those who say "racism is natural, so why fight it?" While some degree of racism will always be present in people, that degree can be greater or lesser than the current aggregate amount depending on various circumstances.


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04 Dec 2010, 1:38 am

ruveyn wrote:
There will always be racists. It is inherent in human nature.

Having races is not inherent in the human species. We could see enough genetic mixing to make racism difficult or impossible.

Granted tribalism would probably then take on other forms.



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04 Dec 2010, 2:01 am

Dox47 wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
It means exactly what it means, and people crying that its over-used are often the first ones to come out with spurious Stormfront BS


I've been saying it's often overused for quite some time now...

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Often. Not always.

The current fad is to shield a load of racist toss behind the cry "You're only calling me a racist because you can't counter my argument." Reminiscent of the internet staple of "Not answering the question by using a meme or stock response."

The fact that there is a tendency to use it incorrectly does not automatically mean it is always being used incorrectly. Some people are nothing more than Nazi muffins and the appellation "racist" fits as snugly as a jackboot.


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04 Dec 2010, 4:07 pm

Macbeth wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
First of all the label "racist" is just a tool used by the left to attempt to discredit people. You don't agree with them and can't beat them in a debate, just call them a "racist."

Thing is the label has been so overused it doesn't mean anything anymore.


Except that its still a perfectly accurate word to describe unpleasant individuals who make ridiculous statements about inferiority/superiority based on unfounded BS. There are plenty of those around. It means exactly what it means, and people crying that its over-used are often the first ones to come out with spurious Stormfront BS.


This is why I seriously have a problem with liberals like yourself, cause normally you think you're right about something and whomever disagrees with you is inferior in some ways. I got news for you, you are not superior and quite frankly if you start insulting people, why should they even bother to consider you may have a point. I was treated like crap at several message boards before I came here. You know what they went on and on about how they were right. Thing is, over time I've been proven to be right now (though they will never admit it).

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They do get beaten in debate. They just refuse to admit it, because figuratively speaking they have their fingers jammed in their ears and their humming loudly so the common sense can't get inside and overwhelm the "f***ing Stupid".


:roll:

As someone whom has been called all the crappy stuff in the world and even banned for quoting someone whom called an admin on the fact that they were out of line. I have been called a racist, homophobe, and everything else by people that were intolerant bigots. Also for the record, I am part Native American, I quite frankly don't give a crap what race someone is. I'm against gay marriage, that doesn't mean I want homosexuals rounded up and arrested or harassed.

To be frank Macbeth, it sounds to me like you are describing yourself when it comes to jamming fingers into ears. To be honest, I don't consider people that start insulting me to even have a valid point in the first place, furthermore when I comment on something I actually do have some knowledge of the situation and/or have read some source material on the subject. I have an extremely good long term memory. There are some things I can recall from about 25 years ago.