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04 Dec 2010, 4:50 am

A lot of people are dumbfounded by why the US wasn't quite liked during the Dubya years. This might go some way towards explaining why...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgJDQN-NoGE[/youtube]

... although I'm sure a lot of nonsense concerning the smoke & mirrors of Obama's soft rhetoric yet equally draconian actions will come out (Slick Hillie's much less childish yet much more insidious "spy on the UN Secretary General" order being a indication of this).


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04 Dec 2010, 8:14 am

amid a sea of self-righteously angry yanks, this is one reluctantly ashamed american. :oops: god, i wish i had been born in some other western nation.



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04 Dec 2010, 8:58 am

auntblabby wrote:
amid a sea of self-righteously angry yanks, this is one reluctantly ashamed american. :oops: god, i wish i had been born in some other western nation.


Australia is a great country, we are free, have universal health care and near full employment. However, we live and die by the international leadership of the United States, the values of that country support and defend our ability to be as free and wealthy as we are. The great downside is that we have much less say in international affairs than the average American citizen does. Our soldiers fight with you. Our economic prosperity depends on you but we don't get to vote for the leader of the free world. The average American citizen has more power than our prime minister in deciding who presides over our joint cause. Where you were born is such an incredible advantage.


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04 Dec 2010, 5:34 pm

There was also some embarrassing revelations about former CSIS director Jim Judd:

Mark Kennedy wrote:
OTTAWA — Former CSIS director Jim Judd complained to U.S. diplomats in 2008 that the Canadian courts were tying his agency "in knots" and making it difficult to detect and prevent terror attacks in Canada and abroad, according to a leaked diplomatic cable from the American embassy in Ottawa.


The cable is just one of thousands that are being released by Wikileaks; a copy of it appeared Monday on the website of the New York Times, which is among several media outlets given advance access to the documents.


Also in the cable:


- Judd told U.S. officials that a videotaped recording of a tearful Omar Khadr at the military prison at Guantanamo Bay would trigger "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" and "paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty."


- Judd said that CSIS was not encouraged by progress in Afghanistan, due in part to President Hamid Karzai's "weak leadership, widespread corruption, the lack of will to press ahead on counter-narcotics, limited Afghan security force capability (particularly the police) and, most recently, the Sarpoza prison break."


- Judd told the Americans that "he and his colleagues are 'very, very worried' about Iran." CSIS had talked recently to Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security after that agency requested its own "channel of communication to Canada," he said. The Iranians had agreed to "help" on Afghan issues, including sharing information regarding potential attacks. But Judd told the Americans "we have not figured out what they are up to," adding that it was clear the Iranians wanted the NATO military force in Afghanistan to slowly "bleed."


- Judd said CSIS had "responded to recent, non-specific intelligence on possible terror operations by 'vigorously harassing' known Hezbollah members in Canada." CSIS felt no attack was in the offing but Hezbollah members and their lawyers were considering using recent court rulings to hamper the work of the intelligence agency.


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Canadi ... story.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boVqZFCHbtI[/youtube]


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04 Dec 2010, 10:36 pm

91 wrote:
Australia is a great country, we are free, have universal health care and near full employment. However, we live and die by the international leadership of the United States, the values of that country support and defend our ability to be as free and wealthy as we are. The great downside is that we have much less say in international affairs than the average American citizen does. Our soldiers fight with you. Our economic prosperity depends on you but we don't get to vote for the leader of the free world. The average American citizen has more power than our prime minister in deciding who presides over our joint cause. Where you were born is such an incredible advantage.


the problem, mon ami, is that the "average american" is ill-informed and more often than not will vote in his/her worst short-term self-interest. us yanks tend to vote to punish somebody or some other perceived class of people, rather than to actually accomplish anything edifying. we vote negatively and not positively. americans routinely vote to feather their own nests while sullying their neighbors' nests. there is no such thing as "win-win" here, it is strictly a dog-eat-dog, winner-take-all and "losers can just suck it" culture.



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04 Dec 2010, 11:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:
amid a sea of self-righteously angry yanks, this is one reluctantly ashamed american. :oops: god, i wish i had been born in some other western nation.


You're being unrealistic, there are a lot of things that go on that we wouldn't like if we knew about it that happen to keep everyone else safe. I'm sorry but the world isn't all black and white.