Israel/Palestine, how to find out the truth??

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17 Mar 2011, 1:04 pm

Its interesting how people always argue (with no end in sight) of various aspects of Israel/Palestine, with one side saying "thats a lie" about the other side, with perhaps conflicting media sources. Is there actually no way to find out the truth??

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17 Mar 2011, 3:18 pm

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Go live there a while.

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17 Mar 2011, 3:37 pm

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Go live there a while.

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That won't work. We have Jews in Israel advocating for more Palestinian rights while other Jews in Israel complain about how insecure Israel is. We have Arabs in Palestinian Territories who talk about "Zionist aggression" and so as you can see, even people living in the area quarrel over what the truth is.

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17 Mar 2011, 3:40 pm

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If you lived there you could see with your own eyes what is going on.

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17 Mar 2011, 3:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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If you lived there you could see with your own eyes what is going on.

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If one only sees with their eyes, they'll miss out on the big picture.

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17 Mar 2011, 3:43 pm

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If one only sees with their eyes, they'll miss out on the big picture.

Whose big picture? Facts are so damned misleading.

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17 Mar 2011, 6:42 pm

I think all one-sided protests related to the conflict should stop. The only event I think should take place would be something even-handed like "March in Solidarity of all victims in this conflict." Just an idea here.

I find its stupid to claim "Israel is THE victim, or Palestinians are THE victims. The victims are all those caught in the crossfire whether they be in Sderot or Gaza or the West Bank.

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17 Mar 2011, 6:47 pm

Question: Which side uses children as guided bombs?

Answer: Palestinians

Question: Which side fires their rockets from schools hoping that the other side will retaliate and children will get killed?

Answer: Palestinians

Due to those facts, I'm supporting Israel.

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17 Mar 2011, 6:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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If one only sees with their eyes, they'll miss out on the big picture.

Whose big picture? Facts are so damned misleading.

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What you see with your eyes alone is not necessarily fact. Or do you believe Penn and Teller can really catch bullets in their teeth? Saying your eyes alone are sufficient misses angles.

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17 Mar 2011, 8:48 pm

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Which side uses Phosphorus against civilians?

Which sides soldiers play "shoot the water tower" for fun?

Which side it trying to breed the other out of existence?

Which side invades its neighbours every other month?

Which side limits food/water/education and the freedom to govern?

Which side offers free land to anyone with religous views identical to thier own?

Im sure i could go on for a few more dozen points at least.

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17 Mar 2011, 9:08 pm

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Let me guess... Eurasia. No, no, no... Eastasia?
Or... which nations were we talking about again?

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17 Mar 2011, 9:09 pm

Fritolaysia & Snackistan

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17 Mar 2011, 9:15 pm

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They don't use children as suicide bombers. At least its rare, some might act on their own (like their family sends them). Hamas is also not known to use child soldiers, many of them are "part-time fighters" while doing some undergrad studies at the same time. As for the firing of rockets from schools, Israel still has the responsibility to protect unarmed civilians. And don't tell me things like "well, the US nuked Japan" or how the Allies bombed German cities. Firstly, no one said that they would be "off the hook" with current war crimes standards, secondly, Israel is not fighting a major world power like Germany or Japan. Israel's existence is not threatened, if anything, Iran is more threatening. There is no need to kill in civilians in large numbers. Saying "they were rocket launching pads" are no excuse. If you valued the lives of Jews equal to that of Arabs, you would not be knowingly killing hundreds of Arabs just for the sake of protecting a few Jews who may die from rocket attacks.

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17 Mar 2011, 9:19 pm

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Let me guess... Eurasia. No, no, no... Eastasia?
Or... which nations were we talking about again?

The Fifty First State of course!

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17 Mar 2011, 9:20 pm

The truth: Israel is a peace-loving democratic country. Palestine is the aggressor, and the media loves to portray Israel was a war-monger when it is just defending itself.

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17 Mar 2011, 9:58 pm

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The truth: Israel is a peace-loving democratic country. Palestine is the aggressor, and the media loves to portray Israel was a war-monger when it is just defending itself].

I disagree with these points. See what I mean? People can't agree on what are facts. You can try all you want to prove your point but the arguments will be endless. How are you sure American media isn't having its share of bias in favour of Israel?

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