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31 Mar 2011, 11:45 am

Bioethicists are nay-sayers. The bioethicist movement started in the 1970's. For the most part the role of bioethicists in society is to say no to change and to resist progress. Historically, they have been wrong over and over again.


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31 Mar 2011, 11:51 am

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Bioethicists are nay-sayers. The bioethicist movement started in the 1970's. For the most part the role of bioethicists in society is to say no to change and to resist progress. Historically, they have been wrong over and over again.


That sounds about right. The enemy of Progress is the Abominable No Man.

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31 Mar 2011, 12:12 pm

Sounds like a bizzare application of philosophy. Scientists can assess the dangers, and the public gets the final call.


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31 Mar 2011, 12:29 pm

I recall taking some boring Humanities class a few years ago called Bioethics. If I remember correctly, 90% of class time was listening to the professor whine about slippery slopes and Monsanto. Boring, boring tripe. There was also an abortion debate that would have made Inuyasha proud.


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31 Mar 2011, 5:12 pm

ruveyn wrote:
TheKing wrote:
Bioethicists are nay-sayers. The bioethicist movement started in the 1970's. For the most part the role of bioethicists in society is to say no to change and to resist progress. Historically, they have been wrong over and over again.


That sounds about right. The enemy of Progress is the Abominable No Man.

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31 Mar 2011, 5:15 pm

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I recall taking some boring Humanities class a few years ago called Bioethics. If I remember correctly, 90% of class time was listening to the professor whine about slippery slopes and Monsanto. Boring, boring tripe. There was also an abortion debate that would have made Inuyasha proud.


Sounds crap beyond belief. Again, applied philosophy that leads to a bunch of stodgy academics pontificating, and never reaching a conclusion.


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31 Mar 2011, 5:31 pm

ryan93 wrote:
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I recall taking some boring Humanities class a few years ago called Bioethics. If I remember correctly, 90% of class time was listening to the professor whine about slippery slopes and Monsanto. Boring, boring tripe. There was also an abortion debate that would have made Inuyasha proud.


Sounds crap beyond belief. Again, applied philosophy that leads to a bunch of stodgy academics pontificating, and never reaching a conclusion.


Thankfully I'm not restricted by a false sense of "morals" or "ethics" or I would not be advocating half the science I study in my spare time which is generally looked down upon by the public because of its controversial nature

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31 Mar 2011, 5:35 pm

I would bet that TheKing's statement is false, but at the same time, that bioethicists are probably ridiculously conservative as well, making their field not as valuable.



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03 Apr 2011, 9:21 pm

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I would bet that TheKing's statement is false, but at the same time, that bioethicists are probably ridiculously conservative as well, making their field not as valuable.


how is it false? whenever humanity finds something new that can increase the progress of humanity the first people to shoot it down are bioethicists then governments and after the public, following the bandwagon as all sheople do.


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03 Apr 2011, 10:43 pm

TheKing wrote:
how is it false? whenever humanity finds something new that can increase the progress of humanity the first people to shoot it down are bioethicists then governments and after the public, following the bandwagon as all sheople do.

For one, bioethicists are more complicated that that. I mean, Peter Singer is a bioethicist, but he is not exactly conservative. A lot of them probably are conservative, but not in a political sense. I don't know how one would prove them outright wrong though. Finally, I really really doubt that their only role is to say no, but that they can be more constructive.



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03 Apr 2011, 11:05 pm

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Peter Singer is a bioethicist


<3 him

What I see in many cases being passed off as "bioethical" concerns and experts are in reality largely religious-based MYSTICAL ones,
in that their opining is very rarely about actual questions of, for instance, potential suffering (I'm a consequentialist...sorry) but about some sort of divine line that science should not cross- sequencing the human genome being a prime example.


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03 Apr 2011, 11:26 pm

Bethie wrote:
What I see in many cases being passed off as "bioethical" concerns and experts are in reality largely religious-based MYSTICAL ones,
in that their opining is very rarely about actual questions of, for instance, potential suffering (I'm a consequentialist...sorry) but about some sort of divine line that science should not cross- sequencing the human genome being a prime example.

Right, yeah, I've usually heard of Leon Kass as the man who spews absurdities. Francis Fukuyama, who is somewhat outside of the field, also in his foray promoted some relatively silly conservatism on the matter as well.



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04 Apr 2011, 8:53 am

The anti-abortion group at my campus staged a protest of abortion in the middle of the busiest section of the campus with a "bioethical reform" group. They had these little signs that said "Warning: Genocide pictures ahead" But the posters were so huge you could still see them from there.

They had pictures of aborted fetuses, a baby's corpse after a partial-birth abortion, and bloody fetus arms next to quarters for some reason I do not know. They literally took pictures out of a medical textbook of the most gruesome and bloodiest things they could find, blew up the pictures, and had them in the part of campus where everyone would walk through, including campus tours. It was a HUGE stand like 20 feet tall or somewhere in that range. They also had truck driving around the campus area with some picture of an aborted something, I am not even sure that picture was a human is was so bloody.

The worst part is they stated abortion was a genocide and compared it to the Holocaust and Jim Crow laws. They had a picture of a gold star and a hung Jewish man on a lamppost or some tall gallows-like structure (or maybe it was hung black man, I forget, but there definitely was a picture of a hanging, and the Jewish person was definitely dead). In one of the most repugnant things I have ever seen, one was arguing with a man wearing a yarmulke that it indeed was genocide. If you have to use these tactics there is something seriously wrong with you.

EDIT: No I remember how. The black man was hung. The Holocaust picture was a pile of dead bodies.


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04 Apr 2011, 11:49 am

HerrGrimm wrote:
The anti-abortion group at my campus staged a protest of abortion in the middle of the busiest section of the campus with a "bioethical reform" group. They had these little signs that said "Warning: Genocide pictures ahead" But the posters were so huge you could still see them from there.

They had pictures of aborted fetuses, a baby's corpse after a partial-birth abortion, and bloody fetus arms next to quarters for some reason I do not know. They literally took pictures out of a medical textbook of the most gruesome and bloodiest things they could find, blew up the pictures, and had them in the part of campus where everyone would walk through, including campus tours. It was a HUGE stand like 20 feet tall or somewhere in that range. They also had truck driving around the campus area with some picture of an aborted something, I am not even sure that picture was a human is was so bloody.

The worst part is they stated abortion was a genocide and compared it to the Holocaust and Jim Crow laws. They had a picture of a gold star and a hung Jewish man on a lamppost or some tall gallows-like structure (or maybe it was hung black man, I forget, but there definitely was a picture of a hanging, and the Jewish person was definitely dead). In one of the most repugnant things I have ever seen, one was arguing with a man wearing a yarmulke that it indeed was genocide. If you have to use these tactics there is something seriously wrong with you.

EDIT: No I remember how. The black man was hung. The Holocaust picture was a pile of dead bodies.


Shock & Awe, classic scare tactic. They won't tell you most abortions are just a pill. I hope to Christ this thread doesn't become hijacked about abortion, there was enough abortion debate during March to last at least a year


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04 Apr 2011, 12:07 pm

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Shock & Awe, classic scare tactic. They won't tell you most abortions are just a pill. I hope to Christ this thread doesn't become hijacked about abortion, there was enough abortion debate during March to last at least a year


I didn't mean to do that. Just wanted to say "bioethicism" does not have a good connotation for me.


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04 Apr 2011, 12:10 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:
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Shock & Awe, classic scare tactic. They won't tell you most abortions are just a pill. I hope to Christ this thread doesn't become hijacked about abortion, there was enough abortion debate during March to last at least a year


I didn't mean to do that. Just wanted to say "bioethicism" does not have a good connotation for me.


Np m8 its not like you would be the one to hijack it :lol: I did mention abortion earlier in the thread so I guess I can't complain
But yeah, when I think 'bioethics' in general; Key terms: Slippery Slopes, Superstition and Rampant Speculation somehow treated as Fact :P


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