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03 Apr 2011, 7:58 am

http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-a ... %20Gaddafi)

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Reportedly additional diplomats report that the US endorsed the Saudi repression against Bahrain's protesters in exchange for support for intervention against Gaddafi.

The author of that article condemns a straw man, the "Liberal imperialist", that defends both the US stance towards Libya and the US stance towards Bahrain. I as a Liberal do not believe many Liberals would support the US stance towards Bahrain.

If the US indeed faced the choice of abandoning either the protesters in Bahrain or the rebels in Libya, I as president would have found that a very hard choice. But I doubt the choice was really so stark, even if it was presented that way. There are usually many options in such a negotiation, not just two. If Obama endorsed repression in Bahrain, my theory is that Obama was never strongly against it. Obama is not much of a Liberal, after all.

Uri Avnery refutes many criticisms of intervention in Libya.


If you ask me, the intervention in Lybia should have stayed an air-exclusion zone which bombing palaces is not.

It is also amazing that we are letting Saudis help repress Bahrain. Specially when we consider it is a race issue. Bahrain's popular movement is mostly (insert race name) because they are the majority and the minority in power are the same ethnicity as the Saudis...


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03 Apr 2011, 8:23 am

First of all - it's not a race issue. It's even worse - the oppressed majority are Shiite and the rulers are Sunni, so it's religious. :?

Secondly - Yes. Double standards. As with all US allies.



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03 Apr 2011, 12:38 pm

Actually we have the added incentive of going after Qadaffi due to the Lockerbie Bombing.



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03 Apr 2011, 12:49 pm

Of course it's a double standard. Libya has oil, is ran by a man we've wanted to get rid of for 30+ years, and is thought of as weak so we can bully them. We would done nothing if they were one of our client dictators(the Saudis) or could defend themselves. North Korea is right, they should of never gave up the their nuclear program. Not only would they of not been invaded, these same countries would of given them money!



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03 Apr 2011, 3:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Actually we have the added incentive of going after Qadaffi due to the Lockerbie Bombing.


um, :roll: bush already forgave them for that. :lol:


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03 Apr 2011, 4:05 pm

Double standards in regard 'western' attitudes to events and actions within the 'middle east' are nothing new.
This entire wave of unrest suits western business agendas by destabilising the entire region, new regional relationships will take years to settle down meanwhile it's business as usual for the energy and arms magnates.
As for the tolerance shown towards repression of Shi'ite by Sunni no surprises there, after the set up the Shi'ite majority recieved in Iraq back in GW1 and the continued hostility and selective representation of Iran in the media.

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03 Apr 2011, 5:16 pm

It's all the same standard: 'does supporting this regime advance U.S. interestes, or not?' Perfectly consistent, perfectly logical.



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03 Apr 2011, 5:48 pm

LKL wrote:
It's all the same standard: 'does supporting this regime advance U.S. interestes, or not?' Perfectly consistent, perfectly logical.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


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03 Apr 2011, 7:43 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Actually we have the added incentive of going after Qadaffi due to the Lockerbie Bombing.


um, :roll: bush already forgave them for that. :lol:


We didn't know for sure like we do now that he directly authorized the attack on that aircraft. Further the improving relations was due to the fact that Qadaffi gave up his nuclear weapons program.



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03 Apr 2011, 9:04 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Actually we have the added incentive of going after Qadaffi due to the Lockerbie Bombing.


I never knew that Qaddafi was so interested in avenging the destruction of Air Iran Flight 665 by the USS Vincennes. That was the reason for the Lockerbie bombing.