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21 May 2011, 5:09 pm

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011 ... s_safe.php

Shouldn't Camping go to jail? Isn't he just another religious terrorist? Spreading fear and chaos for his own gain? Making people kill themselves and others...


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21 May 2011, 5:37 pm

I don't think this is quite what Thomas Jefferson intended when he said that Congress shall not mandate a religion, nor compel Americans to follow any religion. He wanted to avoid the religion fueled wars that consumed Europe for many centuries. Almost immediately after Americans realized that they could not be forced to follow a religion, all sorts of bizarre sects and cults sprang up ("Second Great Awakening", 1830s) and some of them were quite dangerous, such as Millerism, which postulated that the world would end on October 21, 1844. Millerites across New England abandoned their farms and gathered, waiting for Jesus's arrival. When He failed to show, they called it the Great Disappointment. Miller, by the way, died before his prophecied date, so a Jonestown was averted possibly by sheer luck. I speculate that Camping was betting on being dead by May 21, 2011 (he is 89), and thus escaping blame.



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21 May 2011, 5:55 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/while_harold_camping_sits_safe.php

Shouldn't Camping go to jail? Isn't he just another religious terrorist? Spreading fear and chaos for his own gain? Making people kill themselves and others...


You might as well try to jail the pope. Evolution is a hard master. It damages and kills the stupid and uninformed with equanimity and no prejudice or malice. It's just a way of cleaning up the crap that accumulates in any species and there is no doubt that religion is crap.



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21 May 2011, 6:04 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/while_harold_camping_sits_safe.php

Shouldn't Camping go to jail? Isn't he just another religious terrorist? Spreading fear and chaos for his own gain? Making people kill themselves and others...

Please read the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution carefully.

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21 May 2011, 6:04 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/while_harold_camping_sits_safe.php

Shouldn't Camping go to jail? Isn't he just another religious terrorist? Spreading fear and chaos for his own gain? Making people kill themselves and others...

Please read the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution carefully.

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21 May 2011, 6:04 pm

For some reason, I find it ironic that I'm hearing calls for jailing as a watch this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLqghOVRPVQ&feature=related[/youtube]


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21 May 2011, 6:23 pm

His website seems to be down.

www.familyradio.com

Doesn't that mean that he was raptured?



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21 May 2011, 6:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/05/while_harold_camping_sits_safe.php

Shouldn't Camping go to jail? Isn't he just another religious terrorist? Spreading fear and chaos for his own gain? Making people kill themselves and others...

Please read the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution carefully.

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Please read it.

It allows people to choose their religion. Nobody is asking to jail Camping's victims.


Unlike popular belief, the 1st amendment does not make Religions' founders immune to law nor out of responsibility. Specially when they are fraudsters and their fraud is easily provable and verifiable.

Unlike the pope we have outstanding evidence that all of his claims were utter BS. If we had final such evidence for the pope, I would recommend it as well.

Talking about the 1st amendment, why are donations to his crap considered charity and thus all his earnings are tax-free?


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21 May 2011, 6:39 pm

pandabear wrote:
His website seems to be down.

www.familyradio.com

Doesn't that mean that he was raptured?


I think that means his money was raptured.



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21 May 2011, 6:42 pm

pezar wrote:
I don't think this is quite what Thomas Jefferson intended when he said that Congress shall not mandate a religion, nor compel Americans to follow any religion. He wanted to avoid the religion fueled wars that consumed Europe for many centuries. Almost immediately after Americans realized that they could not be forced to follow a religion, all sorts of bizarre sects and cults sprang up ("Second Great Awakening", 1830s) and some of them were quite dangerous, such as Millerism, which postulated that the world would end on October 21, 1844. Millerites across New England abandoned their farms and gathered, waiting for Jesus's arrival. When He failed to show, they called it the Great Disappointment. Miller, by the way, died before his prophecied date, so a Jonestown was averted possibly by sheer luck. I speculate that Camping was betting on being dead by May 21, 2011 (he is 89), and thus escaping blame.

I was also reminded of Miller. He had several math formulas dervived from scripture that all pointed to that same date as the end of the world. As you said all of New England was waiting in village commons to be raptured. If he had lived in the 20th centurey with mass electronic communication the Miller craze might well have spread beyond New England to the whold planet.

An anti Camping christian site also mentioned the Millerites. The site claimed that the Jehovahs Witness (whom the site branded as heretics) are a legacy of the event- founded by Millerites who continued to move the goal post after that date proved wrong. The site authors feared that this modern end of the world cult would also evolve into another permanent heretical church.



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21 May 2011, 6:45 pm

simon_says wrote:
pandabear wrote:
His website seems to be down.

www.familyradio.com

Doesn't that mean that he was raptured?


I think that means his money was raptured.


"Rapture" originally meant "ecstasy" or "extreme happiness", so Darby (its inventor) was looking for a word to describe how Christians would feel after his event that he made up, he chose rapture. Therefore, I think Camping is having a rapturous time with his ill gotten loot-on a private island in the Caribbean. By the way, Family Radio studios in Oakland, Calif, were locked up tight today. Nobody around. No sign of Camping or his people. Supposedly, they were sent home to await the rapture.



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21 May 2011, 6:48 pm

delete, bad taste, sorry